Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?
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@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
Meanwhile, no levers of powers or cultural leaders or followers in general lost anything in the wake of the massive wave of violent rioting earlier in 2020. But now you choose to invoke the slippery slope, over the incident where everybody on the side of the rioters lost. The slippery slope is actually where people win, or at least establish their safety in doing whatever they want to do, to gain control over the culture.
@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
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@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
But it never had a single chance of working. I mean an entire neighborhood was taken over by CHAZ, and then the Portland thing. It worked, they occupied it, for a long time. Precedent. The people who invaded the Capitol were in my opinion insane and suicidal. I believe they will pay a heaver price than any violent/predatory elements in the leftist riots of 2020.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Is it nothing? That's a claim. Not one that is inarguable.
Elections lost due to fraudulence, as a social idea, are far from a new thing. Neighborhoods being taken over, now there's a new thing.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
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@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
@aqua-letifer said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
Ok, so make a choice. Call it hate, whatever. You can choose to hate both, great on you.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
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@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
I believe that is incorrect.
@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
I believe that is incorrect.
So you’d be fine if Obama refused to accept a landslide loss to Romney in 2012?
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@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
I believe that is incorrect.
So you’d be fine if Obama refused to accept a landslide loss to Romney in 2012?
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
I believe that is incorrect.
So you’d be fine if Obama refused to accept a landslide loss to Romney in 2012?
Sure, of course, why not?
Calmly and dispassionately review the problem and fix it.
What's the big deal?
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@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
I believe that is incorrect.
So you’d be fine if Obama refused to accept a landslide loss to Romney in 2012?
Sure, of course, why not?
Calmly and dispassionately review the problem and fix it.
What's the big deal?
@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Calmly and dispassionately review the problem and fix it.
Is that how President Trump handled it? Lol
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@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Calmly and dispassionately review the problem and fix it.
Is that how President Trump handled it? Lol
@taiwan_girl said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@copper said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Calmly and dispassionately review the problem and fix it.
Is that how President Trump handled it? Lol
In the beginning, even before the election, yes.
