How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?
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One of the sad things is that these folks truly believed in what they were told.
They were told to fight for what was right as the people we reverentially refer to as patriots did - the Boston Tea Party, the minutemen who fought the British, people standing up against the likes of Joseph Stalin, that is Democrats desiring to bring communism (i.e. the same thing as socialism) to America.
They believed. And they believed because the commentators told them that. They believed because the President told them so - and commentators suggested he was the greatest President since Lincoln. Ministers told him that he was doing the work of Jesus. They were the noble soldiers fighting to reclaim America as it was meant to be.
Gingrich shrieked at them that the election was being stolen in real time. He's a smart guy. Mike Huckabee, a man of God, said the same.
This country has too many commentators - both sides. The worst thing is that few incividuals actually get to separate the truth from semi-truth from the imaginary. In some ways that is the benefit of TCNR in that we collectively have tried to do that.
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An honest conversation would include our nation’s ambivalence to how we police protests and our thoughts on defunding the police and what could happen to a police officer who happens to hurt or kill a protester.
Maybe it’s not relevant here but it sure is in my brain based on watching Portland, DC, NYC,Philadelphia protests and all the BLM stuff.
Acting shocked at what happened without these considerations makes no sense to me.
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@aqua-letifer said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
@jon-nyc said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
What were these guys thinking? They must know they're on video.
Did they think by the end of the day Trump would be king and forgive them? WTF?
Kind of like what Loki said earlier, it could be that a lot of police have been trained to believe that BLM liberals hate them, and that conservatives are the Blue Lives party. So, hey, no threat here.
Maybe something like that? It's not like they knew what would happen afterward.
Occam's razor might indicate that police are unwilling to risk doing their jobs these days when it comes to dealing with mobs.
@horace said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
Occam's razor might indicate that police are unwilling to risk doing their jobs these days when it comes to dealing with mobs.
That would explain some passivity but not so much the selfies and the waving people in.
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Ever stop to think the police may have thought there wouldn't be violence?
After all, there gave been many pro-Trump events in Washington over the past four years. How many turned violent?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@copper said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
I watched some of the riot live. What I saw, at a distance, looked like a normal bunch of tourists hanging around the Capitol.
I know there were guys breaking things and fighting, but most of the live video was just morons hanging around taking pictures.
A mostly peaceful protest.
@xenon said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
I watched some of the riot live. What I saw, at a distance, looked like a normal bunch of tourists hanging around the Capitol.
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@xenon said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
I watched some of the riot live. What I saw, at a distance, looked like a normal bunch of tourists hanging around the Capitol.
@aqua-letifer said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
@xenon said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
I watched some of the riot live. What I saw, at a distance, looked like a normal bunch of tourists hanging around the Capitol.
That is the part I mentioned with the morons.
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If was a mostly peaceful Capitol Tour!
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Maybe that's how modern policing is trained to deal with large crowds of potential rioters....Perhaps an attempt at de-escalating or at least delaying direct confrontation until it is deemed absolutely necessary.
We watched a number of cities let rioters/protesters for BLM go much farther than we expected they would, so this seems like a continuation of that practice.
@rich said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
Maybe that's how modern policing is trained to deal with large crowds of potential rioters....Perhaps an attempt at de-escalating or at least delaying direct confrontation until it is deemed absolutely necessary.
We watched a number of cities let rioters/protesters for BLM go much farther than we expected they would, so this seems like a continuation of that practice.
I was thinking this also, but I would think/hope that there would be a difference if you were protecting a building with the #2 person in the US, the #3 person in the US, etc. I would think that the rules would be different, and the way to respond would be different.
I am sure that there will be a very detailed review of what went wrong and by who.
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@aqua-letifer said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
@jon-nyc said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
What were these guys thinking? They must know they're on video.
Did they think by the end of the day Trump would be king and forgive them? WTF?
Kind of like what Loki said earlier, it could be that a lot of police have been trained to believe that BLM liberals hate them, and that conservatives are the Blue Lives party. So, hey, no threat here.
Maybe something like that? It's not like they knew what would happen afterward.
Occam's razor might indicate that police are unwilling to risk doing their jobs these days when it comes to dealing with mobs.
@horace said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
Occam's razor might indicate that police are unwilling to risk doing their jobs these days when it comes to dealing with mobs.
I think this is pretty close. I would adjust it (IMO) to be more of an explanation that...the Capitol is a huge complex with many many entrances. By the time this video starts rolling, it's clear officers have been overwhelmed and were likely ordered at this point not to engage unless absolutely required.
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Ever stop to think the police may have thought there wouldn't be violence?
After all, there gave been many pro-Trump events in Washington over the past four years. How many turned violent?
@jolly said in How are these guys going to explain themselves to the slain officer's family?:
Ever stop to think the police may have thought there wouldn't be violence?
After all, there gave been many pro-Trump events in Washington over the past four years. How many turned violent?
I just find it hard to believe that they would not
"prepare for the worse, hope for the best"
It wasn't like they were guarding a used car lot.
