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Puzzle time - the Triangle

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #2

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    There are three hypothenuses. Which one has the length 10?

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    • KlausK Offline
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      Klaus
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      :::

      Is it something as boring as "it isn't specified that AP is the height, so it could be something slightly different"?

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #4

        @Axtremus BC has length 10

        @Klaus AP is the height.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • KlausK Offline
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          Klaus
          wrote on last edited by Klaus
          #5

          Oh, now I see.

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          AB isn't the hypotenuse.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #6

            Nope that was just a typo on my part when I went back to clarify!

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            • kluursK Offline
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              kluurs
              wrote on last edited by kluurs
              #7

              ||AC represents the height - as the triangle is inverted for triangle CAB. 6 is the height of triangle PAB. ||

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

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                I was trying to say that the “really smart” kid cannot solve the problem because of the ambiguity stemming from there having three possible right triangles in the diagram: ABC, ACP, ABP. So when you say something like the hypothenuse has length 10, it’s ambiguous whether you’re referring to which hypothenuse, AB, AC, or BC.

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                • NunataxN Offline
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                  Nunatax
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

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                  Too lazy to look up the required formulas right now, but with A fixed as a right angle and CB equal to 10, height AP will be confined to a certain range. I guess it's at its maximum when angles C and B are both 45 degrees and even then AP will likely be less than 6? If that's the case, the scenario is simply impossible.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                    #10

                    I should have named the smart kid Nunatax.

                    The triangle is impossible as this simple diagram shows us:

                    ED5C7B88-5A4F-4177-B4A3-861F6FEDAA50.jpeg

                    (Recall that, if the angle CAB is a right angle, it must lie on the perimeter of the circle, per Euclid

                    The maximum height of AP is 5.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
                      wrote on last edited by Klaus
                      #11

                      Nice!

                      I wonder what that restriction (of the maximal height) looks like in non-Euclidean geometries.

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        #12

                        The original formula would only work if CAB was a right triangle anyway, or 1/2 a rectangle.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          I should have named the smart kid Nunatax.

                          The triangle is impossible as this simple diagram shows us:

                          ED5C7B88-5A4F-4177-B4A3-861F6FEDAA50.jpeg

                          (Recall that, if the angle CAB is a right angle, it must lie on the perimeter of the circle, per Euclid

                          The maximum height of AP is 5.

                          taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the Triangle:

                          I should have named the smart kid Nunatax.

                          Correct, you should not have picked me! 555

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