Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference
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@Mik said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Well, yes, you have. But pushing that aside, I think everyone knows that and has for a long time. Years even. So what? Do you think they didn't interfere as much as they could in every election since WWII? The outrage over this is simply deliberate naivete.
Only other claims I've made are about Trump's reaction.
Which bucks that conventional and obvious wisdom - (on Putin):
“Every time he sees me he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.”
And I don't think Russian meddling is benign and it is different with social media. They run troll farms to stoke political divisions and create sharable content on facebook, reddit and the like.
What were they going to do in the 50's against us? Run TV ads? And we were in a literal nuclear standoff with them, along with proxy wars. So I don’t think our leaders were saying nice things about them at the time.
I’m not saying you go to war with Russia or even sanction them like Obama did.
A good start would be acknowledging it and not undermining your own intelligence over it.
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We must have patience. This will all be sorted out over time. Note today's revelation that Russia wanted Trump to win. It was a basic common knowledge that anyone with a 6th grade education could see. "Oh no" the Republicans said. But now we know for fact. One fact at a time. It will all come out in the end. And over time, even the ostriches will realize they've been hoodwinked by a crook. A con man who can't even put a sentence together in a press conference. (it's no wonder why he doesn't do these things, he comes off as an utter fool). He projects his weaknesses to others. He deflects and throws a shiny penny when he's cornered. The ostriches all ogle over the penny and forget the sad sack liar for a moment. What was it today? Immigration. It will be something else tomorrow. All to deflect his incompetence over this crisis. History will be a harsh mistress to this administration and to all the fools who fell for it. And another thing, after all these years, I am certain now, Jolly and Larry are one person. A bullying troll of a human. No wonder he likes Trump. He is their mirror reflection.
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@nobodyssock said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
A bullying troll of a human.
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Andy McCarthy's take: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/more-media-misdirection-on-trump-russia/
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Andy McCarthy's take: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/more-media-misdirection-on-trump-russia/
McCarthy gets it.
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Quote from his article:
Did the intelligence community competently conclude that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign?
No one is asking that question because, for the vast majority of people closely following the collusion caper, that would be like asking whether the Chiefs won the Super Bowl..
There’s one notable person who doesn’t agree with that conclusion. And that was my singular point with this thread.
Yes - there’s much chatter about connecting this back with collision. I wasn’t talking about that.
My point was more amazement on how much of a curve this President gets graded on.
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@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Quote from his article:
Did the intelligence community competently conclude that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign?
No one is asking that question because, for the vast majority of people closely following the collusion caper, that would be like asking whether the Chiefs won the Super Bowl..
There’s one notable person who doesn’t agree with that conclusion. And that was my singular point with this thread.
Yes - there’s much chatter about connecting this back with collision. I wasn’t talking about that.
My point was more amazement on how much of a curve this President gets graded on.
No it wasn't. Your point was purely about the fact that Russia meddled. Quote "They sought to denigrate Hillary and boost Trump". First off, that's not even accurate. The Russians fed propaganda to Hillary and the DNC meant to HARM Trump and boost Hillary. The did it through Christopher Steele. Maybe you've heard a little about that...
The fact is, you started this thread because you saw it as another opportunity to smear Trump, and you very first sentence was a total perversion of the facts. Now you claim your point was that you were amazed at "How much of a curve this president gets graded on" - one of the most ridiculous statements you could make given the irony of it.
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From the Senate's report:
From "Volume 2" page 32:
(U) At the direction ofthe Kremlin, the IRA sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election by.harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump.
You seem to have an issue with their report, not me.
The Senate report also makes zero mention of Steele. The conclusions stand independent of that.
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The fact that it makes no mention of Steele doesn't mean it didn't happen, which further proves McCarthy's point that it's a useless report made by a useless committee, and further proves my point about your true motive in starting the thread in the first place.
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@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Quote from his article:
Did the intelligence community competently conclude that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign?
No one is asking that question because, for the vast majority of people closely following the collusion caper, that would be like asking whether the Chiefs won the Super Bowl..
There’s one notable person who doesn’t agree with that conclusion. And that was my singular point with this thread.
Yes - there’s much chatter about connecting this back with collision. I wasn’t talking about that.
My point was more amazement on how much of a curve this President gets graded on.
This is, and remains my only point.
I've tried to post only simple facts.
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Newly Declassified Evidence: Russia Didn't Try to Help Elect Trump in 2016
according to Fred Fleitz, former chief of staff to Trump's National Security Council. Fleitz claimed that then-CIA Director John Brennan suppressed the truth and put forward lower quality intelligence to claim the Russians backed Trump.
Fleitz, a former CIA analyst who also worked on the House Intelligence Committee, took to Fox News to disagree with a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report released Tuesday. That report claims that the 2017 intelligence community assessment showing that Russia backed Trump over Clinton followed proper procedures, contradicting a House committee report from March 2018 showing that it did not.
Newly declassified intelligence further undermines the 2017 assessment, and Fleitz focused on a few basic procedures that were violated in the production of that assessment.
"For example, although the protocols require intelligence community assessments to be 'community products' and vetted with all intelligence agencies and analysts with equities in a given subject, only three intelligence agencies were asked to draft this assessment: the CIA, National Security Agency and FBI," he wrote. "With the 14 other intelligence agencies left out, the three participating agencies included only two dozen 'handpicked' analysts."
Worse, Fleitz said his sources inside the House Intelligence Committee told him "the actual drafting of the intelligence community assessment was done by three close associates of former CIA Director Brennan, who has proven to be the most politicized intelligence chief in American history. Contrary to common practice for controversial intelligence community assessments, Brennan’s team allowed no dissenting views or even an annex with reviews by outside experts."
"These were extraordinary violations of intelligence community rules to ensure that analysis is accurate and trusted. The Senate committee reports ignored these foundational violations," Fleitz wrote.
The recent Senate report claims that "all analytical lines are supported with all-source intelligence" and that analysts who wrote the assessment said they "were under no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions."
Yet the House Intelligence Committee staff told Fleitz they found the opposite. They told him "there was conflicting intelligence evidence on Russian motivations for meddling in the 2016 election."
The staff alleged that Brennan "suppressed facts or analysis that showed why it was not in Russia’s interests to support Trump and why Putin stood to benefit from Hillary Clinton’s election. They also told me that Brennan suppressed that intelligence over the objections of CIA analysts."
Yes, you read that correctly. The best intelligence suggested Russia favored Clinton in the 2016 election, but CIA Director John Brennan covered that up — even when CIA analysts complained.
"House Intelligence Committee staff told me that after an exhaustive investigation reviewing intelligence and interviewing intelligence officers, they found that Brennan suppressed high-quality intelligence suggesting that Putin actually wanted the more predictable and malleable Clinton to win the 2016 election," Fleitz added. "Instead, the Brennan team included low-quality intelligence that failed to meet intelligence community standards to support the political claim that Russian officials wanted Trump to win, House Intelligence Committee staff revealed. They said that CIA analysts also objected to including that flawed, substandard information in the assessment."
