Maybe Dr Phil is available

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

Live free and die.

I like too how much of an overlap there is between people who revere the vets who stormed the beaches at Normandy, and people who absolutely cannot handle watching Netflix at home so as not to put their neighbors' lives at risk.

One of the motherfuckers protesting in Annapolis this past week was legit pissed over the fact he couldn't get a haircut. That was his gripe.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

Live free and die.

I like too how much of an overlap there is between people who revere the vets who stormed the beaches at Normandy, and people who absolutely cannot handle watching Netflix at home so as not to put their neighbors' lives at risk.

One of the motherfuckers protesting in Annapolis this past week was legit pissed over the fact he couldn't get a haircut. That was his gripe.

These same people are also the ones slagging off millennials and "libtards" for being a bunch of pussies.

[Aqua Letifer]

The Anti-Mask League lives on. You'd think with all this "liberty" talk that's being thrown around there'd be a little appreciation for early 20th century history.

[Jolly]

Ever stop to think they may be right?

Country is going to open back up for business. Some changes will be made, but you might as well stand on the tracks and hurl insults at the incoming train. The train doesn't care. The train just knows it has a house note to meet and the kids need shoes.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

Ever stop to think they may be right?

Country is going to open back up for business. Some changes will be made, but you might as well stand on the tracks and hurl insults at the incoming train. The train doesn't care. The train just knows it has a house note to meet and the kids need shoes.

You're actually advocating for no protective measures? None? Because that's what these people are saying.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

Ever stop to think they may be right?

Country is going to open back up for business. Some changes will be made, but you might as well stand on the tracks and hurl insults at the incoming train. The train doesn't care. The train just knows it has a house note to meet and the kids need shoes.

You're actually advocating for no protective measures? None? Because that's what these people are saying.

At this point, how wrong or right are they? I'm not going out unmasked, but I understand the view that no matter how hard we try, infection is almost a surety.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

Ever stop to think they may be right?

Country is going to open back up for business. Some changes will be made, but you might as well stand on the tracks and hurl insults at the incoming train. The train doesn't care. The train just knows it has a house note to meet and the kids need shoes.

You're actually advocating for no protective measures? None? Because that's what these people are saying.

At this point, how wrong or right are they? I'm not going out unmasked, but I understand the view that no matter how hard we try, infection is almost a surety.

So you no longer understand the difference between more infected, and fewer infected? Do you really not understand that fewer infected people is better than more?

[Jolly]

I understand much better than you do. I also understand the opposite viewpoint. I understand the frustration of some people.

I also know people may not be quite as stupid as some of y'all may think...

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

I understand much better than you do.

I would sure as shit hope so.

I also understand the opposite viewpoint. I understand the frustration of some people.

Believe it or not, I do, too. My entire D&D group is out of work. I feel like an asshole for not having the same problems they do. And I'm not against them going back to work but can we please dear God do it safely? Everyone wears a mask, and we could safely reopen pretty much everything tomorrow. Wouldn't that be awesome.

[bachophile]

@Jolly

That being so I don’t understand why you thought the patrons of wal-mart (I’d rather lick the hospital floor then go again) were so obtuse.

[Jolly]

@bachophile said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly

That being so I don’t understand why you thought the patrons of wal-mart (I’d rather lick the hospital floor then go again) were so obtuse.

Maybe because these may not be quite the same critters. Maybe they don't want to wear a mask, but they don't mind social distance. Or maybe they're ok with certain mitigation strategies for older or high risk people, but not themselves. Or maybe they're just tired and ready to take their chances.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@bachophile said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly

That being so I don’t understand why you thought the patrons of wal-mart (I’d rather lick the hospital floor then go again) were so obtuse.

Maybe because these may not be quite the same critters. Maybe they don't want to wear a mask, but they don't mind social distance. Or maybe they're ok with certain mitigation strategies for older or high risk people, but not themselves. Or maybe they're just tired and ready to take their chances.

When they take their chances, they put everyone near them at risk, too. That's the entire point of this. If they can't be trusted to do anything to contribute to public health, because "freedoms," then yes, we need government orders.

[Jolly]

And you accuse me of Stalinism...

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@bachophile said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly

That being so I don’t understand why you thought the patrons of wal-mart (I’d rather lick the hospital floor then go again) were so obtuse.

Maybe because these may not be quite the same critters. Maybe they don't want to wear a mask, but they don't mind social distance.

If you look at the pictures of the protests, there's absolutely no social distancing going on at all.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

And you accuse me of Stalinism...

Yes because using a mask is absolutely Stalinism. I don't know if I should continue listening to you anymore.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

@Jolly said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

And you accuse me of Stalinism...

Yes because using a mask is absolutely Stalinism. I don't know if I should continue listening to you anymore.

Oh, I'm not near smart enough to listen to. Just another dumb redneck...I bow to your superior intellect.

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[Aqua Letifer]

It's not about that. We were talking about a mob of people in the street, yelling very close to one another with no masks on. You yourself do lab testing, and your position seems to be that they're right, and the people following public health guidelines are Stalinists. Yeah well fuck that. If that's your opinion then keep it the hell away from me, it doesn't do anyone any good.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe Dr Phil is available:

It's not about that. We were talking about a mob of people in the street, yelling very close to one another with no masks on. You yourself do lab testing, and your position seems to be that they're right, and the people following public health guidelines are Stalinists. Yeah well fuck that. If that's your opinion then keep it the hell away from me, it doesn't do anyone any good.

This virus is not going away. I have very serious doubts about the development of a vaccine.

This is not a communist regime nor is it a dictatorship. It is a republic, a form of representative democracy.

As such, you certainly will have control over your individual actions. Other people will have control over theirs. At some point, the public, rightly or wrongly, will make their own decisions on public health and will do so on a cost/benefit calculation.

These protesters are the extreme end of the curve. For now.

[Doctor Phibes]

They may be the extreme end of the curve, but if they're getting together in crowds, without any masks, and inviting sick people to come along, they're putting everybody in unnecessary danger.

This is the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded cinema. In fact, this is the equivalent of igniting a box of matches in a crowded cinema and throwing it onto the balcony.

And this republic locked up Typhoid Mary for decades.

[jon-nyc]

I saw a picture of a protester with a sign showing a mask with a red circle around it and a line through it. The sign said something like 'my body my choice'.

He probably viewed himself as the hero standing up to the Man. I viewed him as the schmuck during the blitz, keeping his lights on at night, saying 'my light, my choice'.