The Herd in Sweden
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wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 20:27 last edited by
From a right-wing blog, but it's factual, to a great extent rather than opinion:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/what-about-sweden.php
I have started to track Sweden’s numbers of Wuhan coronavirus reported cases and reported deaths. Why Sweden? Because it is taking a different approach to dealing with the virus.
Instead of locking down, Sweden is keeping its restaurants, cafes, and schools open. Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says he’s relying on the good judgment of Swedes to carry their country through the pandemic.
Good judgment or not, Sweden’s approach means a faster spread of the virus than would occur with a lockdown. On a per capita basis, new cases in Sweden have started to outpace new cases in Norway, which has locked down.
In addition, according to this report from Bloomberg, the rate per million of deaths from the virus in Sweden is 36, compared to 9 in Norway. (Note, however, that a lockdown can take a considerable amount of time to affect the death rate. Norway reportedly locked down on March 12. Also, countries don’t all use the same methodology to count deaths caused by the virus.)
In any case, the key point, which is absent from Bloomberg’s report, is that the merits of locking down vs. not locking down can’t be determined by looking at new case and new death numbers for a few days or simply by comparing the “flattening” of the two country’s curves.
A genuine accounting will require comparing economic impacts (I’d be surprised if Sweden avoids a recession by staying open for business, but its economy might, or might not, fare considerably better than Norway’s); ability of Swedish and Norwegian hospitals to cope with the pandemic; and, of course, the long term death counts, especially among those not likely to have died soon anyway.
It’s not clear, however, that we will be able to make these comparisons. As Sweden’s numbers worsen, the government faces increased pressure to take more draconian measures. Some of that pressure apparently comes from the prime minister’s own party.
According to Bloomberg, Sweden has already become somewhat more restrictive than before. It recently banned gatherings larger than 50, compared with 500 previously. And restaurants now can only serve patrons while they’re seated at tables, not while standing at bars.
Still, these restrictions are a far cry from those in other countries, including Scandinavian ones.
For the record, as of yesterday (April 3), Sweden had 6,131 reported cases of the Wuhan coronavirus and 358 reported deaths. Norway’s corresponding numbers were 5,370 and 59. Sweden’s daily count for April 3 was 563 new cases (compared to 223 in Norway) and 50 deaths (compared to 9 in Norway).
Sweden’s total population is a little over 10 million. Norway’s is slightly more than half of that.
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wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 22:38 last edited by
The problem with these numbers is they are all dependent on testing protocols. We are not necessarily looking at apples to apples.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 20:28 last edited by
Update on Scandinavia.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 03:14 last edited by
Well, that worked out well
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 03:17 last edited by
The right wing blog's gone a bit quiet.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 03:18 last edited by
Quite the chart.
It will be interesting to see after, say, 2 years. How many total deaths were caused by COVID in each country, as well as any indirect/economic numbers.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 03:26 last edited by
The most interesting aspect is the level of acceptance among the population of those numbers. If the population accepts that as the cost of doing business then bless them I say.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 04:09 last edited by
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wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 04:11 last edited by
Is it the inner wang?
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Quite the chart.
It will be interesting to see after, say, 2 years. How many total deaths were caused by COVID in each country, as well as any indirect/economic numbers.
wrote on 10 May 2021, 11:23 last edited by@89th said in The Herd in Sweden:
Quite the chart.
It will be interesting to see after, say, 2 years.
Here’s one year later.
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 11:52 last edited by Klaus 5 Oct 2021, 12:09
Why do you compare Sweden to Norway and Finland only? Why not, say, France or Italy?
For instance, when you embed Sweden inside a couple of other bigger nations using confirmed deaths, which is way better suited for comparing countries than confirmed cases. It doesn't really stick out much.
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Why do you compare Sweden to Norway and Finland only? Why not, say, France or Italy?
For instance, when you embed Sweden inside a couple of other bigger nations using confirmed deaths, which is way better suited for comparing countries than confirmed cases. It doesn't really stick out much.
wrote on 10 May 2021, 13:30 last edited by@klaus said in The Herd in Sweden:
Why do you compare Sweden to Norway and Finland only? Why not, say, France or Italy?
I am guessing that may be because population, weather, culture, etc. are kind of the same. So, it is able to compare countries without too many variable changes.
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 13:35 last edited by Doctor Phibes 5 Oct 2021, 13:36
Interesting how badly the UK faired during the Christmas outbreak. Almost everybody I come across on Facebook who is in Covid denial is British. The latest rash of stupidity is associated with photos of Melinda Gates demonstrating beyond all doubt that the current person is a doppelganger.
Obviously, there's a fair amount of selection bias there
I was only joking
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Why do you compare Sweden to Norway and Finland only? Why not, say, France or Italy?
For instance, when you embed Sweden inside a couple of other bigger nations using confirmed deaths, which is way better suited for comparing countries than confirmed cases. It doesn't really stick out much.
wrote on 10 May 2021, 14:33 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Oct 2021, 14:33@klaus said in The Herd in Sweden:
Why do you compare Sweden to Norway and Finland only? Why not, say, France or Italy?
Similar culture, latitude, weather, density. Sweden is bit more connected so you'd expect it to be a bit higher than Finland and Norway. But maybe less connected and less dense than Denmark?
If you were setting up this as an experiment the month before Covid started it would seem those neighbors are the obvious comparisons. France and Italy comparisons seem post-hoc and chosen simply because they had bad outcomes, not because of any genuine similarity.
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Interesting how badly the UK faired during the Christmas outbreak. Almost everybody I come across on Facebook who is in Covid denial is British. The latest rash of stupidity is associated with photos of Melinda Gates demonstrating beyond all doubt that the current person is a doppelganger.
Obviously, there's a fair amount of selection bias there
wrote on 10 May 2021, 14:37 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The Herd in Sweden:
Interesting how badly the UK faired during the Christmas outbreak. Almost everybody I come across on Facebook who is in Covid denial is British. The latest rash of stupidity is associated with photos of Melinda Gates demonstrating beyond all doubt that the current person is a doppelganger.
Obviously, there's a fair amount of selection bias there
@Doctor-Phibes, do you see any correlation between COVID denial and attitude towards BREXIT?
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@doctor-phibes said in The Herd in Sweden:
Interesting how badly the UK faired during the Christmas outbreak. Almost everybody I come across on Facebook who is in Covid denial is British. The latest rash of stupidity is associated with photos of Melinda Gates demonstrating beyond all doubt that the current person is a doppelganger.
Obviously, there's a fair amount of selection bias there
@Doctor-Phibes, do you see any correlation between COVID denial and attitude towards BREXIT?
wrote on 10 May 2021, 14:55 last edited by@axtremus said in The Herd in Sweden:
@doctor-phibes said in The Herd in Sweden:
Interesting how badly the UK faired during the Christmas outbreak. Almost everybody I come across on Facebook who is in Covid denial is British. The latest rash of stupidity is associated with photos of Melinda Gates demonstrating beyond all doubt that the current person is a doppelganger.
Obviously, there's a fair amount of selection bias there
@Doctor-Phibes, do you see any correlation between COVID denial and attitude towards BREXIT?
My highly scientific studies have mostly involved trolling Facebook pages of people who are friends of friends in varying degrees of disbelief. I suspect that the people who have very strong opinions about Covid not being real almost certainly have very strong opinions about a number of things. My observations are that most of them are very anti-government, so probably don't like the EU a whole lot.
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 20:57 last edited by
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wrote on 11 May 2021, 03:35 last edited by
In light of what is going on in India is it possible that Denmark and Norway are just whistling past the graveyard?
