Rolling out the vaccine.
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Bernie Sanders Confused After U.S. Beats Cuba To Producing COVID Vaccine
BURLINGTON, VT—Bernie Sanders expressed bewilderment this week after the announcement that two separate U.S. drug companies have successfully produced a vaccine for COVID while socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela have not yet announced such a breakthrough.
"I happen to believe," said Bernie to supporters. "That Cuba and Venezuela invest more in their healthcare than we do. They are more compassionate. They are more advanced. There's no way they haven't produced a vaccine already. They are probably just keeping it secret so American capitalist billionaires don't steal it!"
Cuba has assured the world that they produced a "better, cheaper" vaccine than the American drug companies but they misplaced it and they're sure it will turn up soon.
Venezuela also claims to have a 100% effective treatment for COVID but that it was stolen by a pack of feral cats. They have assured the world they will find it shortly.
North Korea claims they have had a vaccine for years but they don't even need it because people never get sick there.
Sanders is calling for complete government control of healthcare in hopes that America will catch up to these other, more developed countries.
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Why are kids being vaccinated before older adults (not over 65)? The stats seem to say that kids are at very low risk and may not even spread the virus as much as adults. My best friend, 57, as COVID and barely escaped being put on a ventilator. He is having a difficult struggle and will be in the hospital for 2-4 weeks.
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Sorry to hear that @Kincaid. We will keep him in our thoughts.
I’m not saying I agree with it, but the medical reasoning would be to slow spread. The fear is that a lot of the spread in adults comes from children at school. The more factual reason would be because parents need kids back in school.
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Why are kids being vaccinated before older adults (not over 65)? The stats seem to say that kids are at very low risk and may not even spread the virus as much as adults. My best friend, 57, as COVID and barely escaped being put on a ventilator. He is having a difficult struggle and will be in the hospital for 2-4 weeks.
@Kincaid said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
Why are kids being vaccinated before older adults (not over 65)? The stats seem to say that kids are at very low risk and may not even spread the virus as much as adults. My best friend, 57, as COVID and barely escaped being put on a ventilator. He is having a difficult struggle and will be in the hospital for 2-4 weeks.
It's a very nasty disease. It is not the flu.
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Sorry to hear that @Kincaid. We will keep him in our thoughts.
I’m not saying I agree with it, but the medical reasoning would be to slow spread. The fear is that a lot of the spread in adults comes from children at school. The more factual reason would be because parents need kids back in school.
@LuFins-Dad said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
Sorry to hear that @Kincaid. We will keep him in our thoughts.
I’m not saying I agree with it, but the medical reasoning would be to slow spread. The fear is that a lot of the spread in adults comes from children at school. The more factual reason would be because parents need kids back in school.
And teachers, being selfish, want to maintain their health.
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Was reading about George's daughter's struggle - sounds a lot like my friend. He is several days away from Day 20 but was released to go home. His sense of taste has come back but he is still very tired with just a little activity. He did lose over 30 pounds.
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I'm thinking the information on side effects of the vaccines will lead many to delay or not take the vaccine. The anti-vax folks will do their bit. From all appearances, this is an area where the administration has done an exemplary job of coordinating a ramp up and distribution system - but I wonder if more than 30% of the population gets vaccinated - not because of logistical issues - but rather the predilections of the US population.
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I'm thinking the information on side effects of the vaccines will lead many to delay or not take the vaccine. The anti-vax folks will do their bit. From all appearances, this is an area where the administration has done an exemplary job of coordinating a ramp up and distribution system - but I wonder if more than 30% of the population gets vaccinated - not because of logistical issues - but rather the predilections of the US population.
@kluurs said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
I'm thinking the information on side effects of the vaccines will lead many to delay or not take the vaccine. The anti-vax folks will do their bit. From all appearances, this is an area where the administration has done an exemplary job of coordinating a ramp up and distribution system - but I wonder if more than 30% of the population gets vaccinated - not because of logistical issues - but rather the predilections of the US population.
That’s fine. I think you get a vaccine card and that lets your kids go to school, you go to malls, restaurants, places of worship, work, retail, airplanes and hotels. The anti-vaxxers can stay home and that is fine with me.
I will object loudly to anti Vaxxer being anywhere near my presence an app on a phone would be great.
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OTOH...Who knows what normal will be? Viruses mutate and viruses gotta virus...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
OTOH...Who knows what normal will be? Viruses mutate and viruses gotta virus...
On the other hand it might attenuate.
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Frankly, I’m not all that amped to take a vaccine that has been fast-tracked through approval processes that exist for a reason, and I’m definitely not amped up to get my kids a fast tracked vaccine for a sickness that likely won’t affect them seriously. Yes, there are cases like George’s daughter, but those are the exceptions and not the rule... Before I make a risk/reward analysis for my family and our decisions, I need to see some numbers.
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Frankly, I’m not all that amped to take a vaccine that has been fast-tracked through approval processes that exist for a reason, and I’m definitely not amped up to get my kids a fast tracked vaccine for a sickness that likely won’t affect them seriously. Yes, there are cases like George’s daughter, but those are the exceptions and not the rule... Before I make a risk/reward analysis for my family and our decisions, I need to see some numbers.
@LuFins-Dad said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
Frankly, I’m not all that amped to take a vaccine that has been fast-tracked through approval processes that exist for a reason, and I’m definitely not amped up to get my kids a fast tracked vaccine for a sickness that likely won’t affect them seriously. Yes, there are cases like George’s daughter, but those are the exceptions and not the rule... Before I make a risk/reward analysis for my family and our decisions, I need to see some numbers.
The issue is if you don’t take the vaccine you can not just get it but spread to others who will eventually as it spreads find a deadly target. Also it slows this country getting back to normal which means high unemployment, higher taxes and eventually more people for losing their jobs.
Now see how that little fear has big downstream consequences? A butterfly flaps its wings in Chicago which results in a thunderstorm in the NorthEast.
Now if you are willing to isolate yourself permanently I say do whatever you want to do.
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Once they do come out with one or more vaccines for the coronavirus, I hope they're safe. I hope they know enough about it before approving it. I hope they don't rush too fast, as I don't want to get a vaccine that isn't safe.
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Once they do come out with one or more vaccines for the coronavirus, I hope they're safe. I hope they know enough about it before approving it. I hope they don't rush too fast, as I don't want to get a vaccine that isn't safe.
@MainerMikeBrown said in Rolling out the vaccine.:
Once they do come out with one or more vaccines for the coronavirus, I hope they're safe. I hope they know enough about it before approving it. I hope they don't rush too fast, as I don't want to get a vaccine that isn't safe.
Yup. I agree with all of the above.
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What they are doing is running processes in parallel. In other words they are committing resources to activities that in normal circumstances would be done sequentially, based on confidence the what would be predecessor steps will be successful. This is true of both the Pharma companies and FDA. It’s a very expensive way to approach an already hugely expensive process.
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“Train Amazon delivery drivers to administer the vaccine. The nation will be fully vaccinated by Saturday, Wednesday if you have Prime.”
