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Buyer's Remorse

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by
    #43

    Renauda is a smart guy, I know that. I wish he posted here more often, but he seems to have categorized us.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #44

      I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live. That right extends to anyone else from outside the USA who posts here regularly or from time to time and wishes to comment. It is, after all, an open forum.

      Think of us outliers then as disenfranchised stakeholders whose observations and comments are of no consequence. That, I am sure, would suit us just fine.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #45

        It's an open forum and should remain that way. I mean hell, we're not Facebook, are we?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #46

          In fairness, your ultimate prediction strikes me as little more than nihilism, without taking part in the outcome.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            In fairness, your ultimate prediction strikes me as little more than nihilism, without taking part in the outcome.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #47

            @Horace

            Heavens no, not nihilism. More like a Neo-Bonapartism.

            Elbows up!

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            • LarryL Offline
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              Larry
              wrote on last edited by
              #48

              I didn't say that. I like Renauda, always have. And yes, everyone has a right to speak. I don't want to silence anyone. I was just commenting on the fact that the loudest donkeys braying right now are those who don't live here.

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live. That right extends to anyone else from outside the USA who posts here regularly or from time to time and wishes to comment. It is, after all, an open forum.

                Think of us outliers then as disenfranchised stakeholders whose observations and comments are of no consequence. That, I am sure, would suit us just fine.

                Catseye3C Offline
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                Catseye3
                wrote on last edited by
                #49

                @Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:

                I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live.

                AFAIC you're welcome here whenever you care to come in and comment, Renauda.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #50

                  Trump is not a conservative, but he has governed as one.

                  Probably more conservative in action than any President since Reagan.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #51

                    What is “traditional” conservatism?

                    What is “current” conservative?

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      What is “traditional” conservatism?

                      What is “current” conservative?

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #52

                      @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                      What is “traditional” conservatism?

                      What is “current” conservative?

                      Ask Renauda.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                        What is “traditional” conservatism?

                        What is “current” conservative?

                        Ask Renauda.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #53

                        @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                        @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                        What is “traditional” conservatism?

                        What is “current” conservative?

                        Ask Renauda.

                        Okay @Renauda

                        But I would also be interested in your opinion Jolly. There much difference in your mind, or has it changed from now to before?

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #54

                          Whoa

                          The Brad

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #55

                            It was no secret Biden is Captain Lockdown. The Man practically took a bullhorn and shouted it from the rooftops.

                            This is a subject upon which Biden was very clear about his possible actions.

                            Don't blame Joe.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by Mik
                              #56

                              He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                              Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                              https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                                Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                                https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #57

                                @Mik said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                                Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                                https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

                                That didn't stop the national press from lambasting Trump for not locking the country down or for not throwing the concept of Federalism out the window...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                  What is “traditional” conservatism?

                                  What is “current” conservative?

                                  Ask Renauda.

                                  Okay @Renauda

                                  But I would also be interested in your opinion Jolly. There much difference in your mind, or has it changed from now to before?

                                  RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #58

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                  @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                  What is “traditional” conservatism?

                                  What is “current” conservative?

                                  Ask Renauda.

                                  Okay @Renauda

                                  I don't really care to go down that rabbit hole of broad opinion. Besides, there is no single definitive or correct answer.

                                  Suffice to say that my understanding of conservatism will differ substantially from what others here regard as as conservatism. In Canada, Kamala Harris could easily be a member of the Conservative Party of Canada and thought of as a Red Tory. Likewise, she could just as easily be thought of as a conservative member of the federal Liberal Party caucus. Very unlikely however that she would occupy any role in the more left of centre, ND Party. I realise that such a statement on my part should elicit more than just a few sardonic laughs and outraged guffaws of feigning indignation from certain quarters of this Forum. So be it. That is precisely why I approach any definition or description of conservatism with reluctance.

                                  However for the sake of simplicity and a desire to oblige at least a portion of your question, I would defer to the respected late American conservative political theorist, Russell Kirk ( Bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Kirk ) and his
                                  Ten Conservative Principles as a good place as any to start looking for an answer:

                                  https://kirkcenter.org/conservatism/ten-conservative-principles/#:~:text= Ten Conservative Principles 1 First%2C the,principle of prescription. . Conservatives sense... More

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #59

                                    My point is not about the lockdown but about Buyer's Remorse...

                                    Naomi Wolfe is a very well known Progressive Feminist Author...

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      My point is not about the lockdown but about Buyer's Remorse...

                                      Naomi Wolfe is a very well known Progressive Feminist Author...

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #60

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                      My point is not about the lockdown but about Buyer's Remorse...

                                      Naomi Wolfe is a very well known Progressive Feminist Author...

                                      But Biden was very upfront about lockdowns. She should have factored that in, well before voting.

                                      When I think of buyer's remorse, it's when the item turns out to be something that didn't work or wasn't what you thought it was...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • LarryL Offline
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                                        Larry
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #61

                                        Joe Biden didn't accomplish a single thing in the 47 years he's been a politician. And of the things he WAS involved in, he made the exact wrong choice every single time. You can expect that trend to continue, only the damage he will do now will be far greater.

                                        But hey - those of you who wanted him..... You have to live with what's coming.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                          There will be NO honeymoon.

                                          Politically, you're right. With the House being so tight, and with a Senate presumably held by the GOP, he's going to have a rough go of it.

                                          Socially, I disagree. The press and our betters in the entertainment industry are slobbering all over this, and it'll last for a while. John Legend was singing "Georgia On My Mind" last night. We can expect another 2-4 months of this fellating.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #62

                                          @George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                          The press and our betters in the entertainment industry are slobbering all over this, and it'll last for a while...We can expect another 2-4 months of this fellating.

                                          https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/526446-joe-bidens-friendly-press-conferences-are-an-absolute-joke

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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