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Buyer's Remorse

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    Catseye3
    wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 20:40 last edited by
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    Disagree.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      Horace
      wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 20:42 last edited by
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      Are you impressed by AndyD, Cats?

      Education is extremely important.

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 20:43 last edited by
        #42

        Sorry, I thought you were talking about someone else.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          Horace
          wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 20:44 last edited by
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          Renauda is a smart guy, I know that. I wish he posted here more often, but he seems to have categorized us.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 23:42 last edited by Renauda 11 Aug 2020, 23:43
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            I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live. That right extends to anyone else from outside the USA who posts here regularly or from time to time and wishes to comment. It is, after all, an open forum.

            Think of us outliers then as disenfranchised stakeholders whose observations and comments are of no consequence. That, I am sure, would suit us just fine.

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 23:45 last edited by
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              It's an open forum and should remain that way. I mean hell, we're not Facebook, are we?

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Horace
                wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 23:46 last edited by
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                In fairness, your ultimate prediction strikes me as little more than nihilism, without taking part in the outcome.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  8 Nov 2020, 23:46

                  In fairness, your ultimate prediction strikes me as little more than nihilism, without taking part in the outcome.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 23:55 last edited by
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                  @Horace

                  Heavens no, not nihilism. More like a Neo-Bonapartism.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Larry
                    wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 00:25 last edited by
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                    I didn't say that. I like Renauda, always have. And yes, everyone has a right to speak. I don't want to silence anyone. I was just commenting on the fact that the loudest donkeys braying right now are those who don't live here.

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                      8 Nov 2020, 23:42

                      I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live. That right extends to anyone else from outside the USA who posts here regularly or from time to time and wishes to comment. It is, after all, an open forum.

                      Think of us outliers then as disenfranchised stakeholders whose observations and comments are of no consequence. That, I am sure, would suit us just fine.

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 00:49 last edited by
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                      @Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:

                      I may not live in the US or have US citizenship but I every right to comment upon and criticise American political events and persons. Especially when policies or statements emanating out the White House have or are affecting the country in which I live.

                      AFAIC you're welcome here whenever you care to come in and comment, Renauda.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 00:54 last edited by
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                        Trump is not a conservative, but he has governed as one.

                        Probably more conservative in action than any President since Reagan.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 02:19 last edited by
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                          What is “traditional” conservatism?

                          What is “current” conservative?

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                            9 Nov 2020, 02:19

                            What is “traditional” conservatism?

                            What is “current” conservative?

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 02:20 last edited by
                            #52

                            @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                            What is “traditional” conservatism?

                            What is “current” conservative?

                            Ask Renauda.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              9 Nov 2020, 02:20

                              @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                              What is “traditional” conservatism?

                              What is “current” conservative?

                              Ask Renauda.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 02:59 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                              What is “traditional” conservatism?

                              What is “current” conservative?

                              Ask Renauda.

                              Okay @Renauda

                              But I would also be interested in your opinion Jolly. There much difference in your mind, or has it changed from now to before?

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 14:47 last edited by
                                #54

                                Whoa

                                The Brad

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 14:51 last edited by
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                                  It was no secret Biden is Captain Lockdown. The Man practically took a bullhorn and shouted it from the rooftops.

                                  This is a subject upon which Biden was very clear about his possible actions.

                                  Don't blame Joe.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 14:55 last edited by Mik 11 Sept 2020, 14:57
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                                    He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                                    Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                                    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • M Mik
                                      9 Nov 2020, 14:55

                                      He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                                      Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                                      https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 15:04 last edited by
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                                      @Mik said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                      He can advocate, but I don't believe he has to power to impose them short of martial law.

                                      Heres what NPR said about it in April. We shall see what they say about it now.

                                      https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

                                      That didn't stop the national press from lambasting Trump for not locking the country down or for not throwing the concept of Federalism out the window...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        9 Nov 2020, 02:59

                                        @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                        What is “traditional” conservatism?

                                        What is “current” conservative?

                                        Ask Renauda.

                                        Okay @Renauda

                                        But I would also be interested in your opinion Jolly. There much difference in your mind, or has it changed from now to before?

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 15:58 last edited by Renauda 11 Sept 2020, 19:19
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                        @Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:

                                        What is “traditional” conservatism?

                                        What is “current” conservative?

                                        Ask Renauda.

                                        Okay @Renauda

                                        I don't really care to go down that rabbit hole of broad opinion. Besides, there is no single definitive or correct answer.

                                        Suffice to say that my understanding of conservatism will differ substantially from what others here regard as as conservatism. In Canada, Kamala Harris could easily be a member of the Conservative Party of Canada and thought of as a Red Tory. Likewise, she could just as easily be thought of as a conservative member of the federal Liberal Party caucus. Very unlikely however that she would occupy any role in the more left of centre, ND Party. I realise that such a statement on my part should elicit more than just a few sardonic laughs and outraged guffaws of feigning indignation from certain quarters of this Forum. So be it. That is precisely why I approach any definition or description of conservatism with reluctance.

                                        However for the sake of simplicity and a desire to oblige at least a portion of your question, I would defer to the respected late American conservative political theorist, Russell Kirk ( Bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Kirk ) and his
                                        Ten Conservative Principles as a good place as any to start looking for an answer:

                                        https://kirkcenter.org/conservatism/ten-conservative-principles/#:~:text= Ten Conservative Principles 1 First%2C the,principle of prescription. . Conservatives sense... More

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 17:16 last edited by
                                          #59

                                          My point is not about the lockdown but about Buyer's Remorse...

                                          Naomi Wolfe is a very well known Progressive Feminist Author...

                                          The Brad

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