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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

    If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

    1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

    2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

    3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

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    George K
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    @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

    800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

    October's numbers show 685K new jobs.

    Does your comment include those?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      #13

      Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

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        #14

        @Jolly said in The economic record:

        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Jolly said in The economic record:

          Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

          I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

          Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

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          #15

          @George-K said in The economic record:

          @Jolly said in The economic record:

          Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

          I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

          Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

          And it has been that way over most, if not all, if the First World.

          But Trump...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

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              George K
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              @Axtremus said in The economic record:

              You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

              OK. You made the claim.

              Have at it.

              And no, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Axtremus
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                I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                  Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                  @Axtremus said in The economic record:

                  I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.

                  alt text

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Jolly said in The economic record:

                    Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                    I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                    Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

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                    #20

                    @George-K said in The economic record:

                    @Jolly said in The economic record:

                    Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                    I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                    Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                    And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                      Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                      @Axtremus said in The economic record:

                      I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                      Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

                      Calhoun don't want that ball!

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @George-K said in The economic record:

                        @Jolly said in The economic record:

                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                        And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

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                        #22

                        @Mik said in The economic record:

                        @George-K said in The economic record:

                        @Jolly said in The economic record:

                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                        And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

                        And most sentient beings without an ad to grind, know it.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          jon-nyc
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                          The depression would have sucked for any president.

                          It shows up in Hoover’s stats.

                          Them’s the breaks.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • George KG George K

                            @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

                            800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                            October's numbers show 685K new jobs.

                            Does your comment include those?

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #24

                            @George-K said in The economic record:

                            @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

                            800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                            October's numbers show 685K new jobs.

                            Does your comment include those?

                            Does that mean 115K jobs lost?

                            Does that still mean the most by any President over his term?

                            ETA: Trump still has (presumably) about 2 months in his term. Isn't it a bit premature to pull that trigger?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

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                                Loki
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                                @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                  Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                  Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #27

                                  @Loki said in The economic record:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                  Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                  Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

                                  And Trump will primarily be remembered for his truly odious personality.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Loki said in The economic record:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                    Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                    Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

                                    And Trump will primarily be remembered for his truly odious personality.

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                                    AndyD
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                                    #28

                                    Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

                                    And Trump will primarily be remembered for his truly odious personality.

                                    .. and total lack of empathy.

                                    But give Trump credit for his lasting effect on at least three things: the strong American economy, his strength in dealing with China, and Obamacare

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

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                                      #29

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                      Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                      Captain Lockdown may have to wait awhile on jobs recovery.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • L Loki

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in The economic record:

                                        Biden will get credit for the jobs recovery AND Social Security solvency since most of our seniors will be gone and there won’t be as much to pay out...

                                        Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected as long as we are being honest.

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                                        @Loki said in The economic record:

                                        Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected

                                        This.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Loki said in The economic record:

                                          Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected

                                          This.

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                                          @George-K said in The economic record:

                                          @Loki said in The economic record:

                                          Biden will be remembered most for being a place holder to try and get Kamala elected

                                          This.

                                          If only she was gay and somehow disabled

                                          That would be a perfect president

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