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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

    If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

    1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

    2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

    3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

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    @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

    Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

    If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

    1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

    2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

    3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

    Do you think anybody is buying that load of bullshit?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Facts don’t care about your feelings, Jolly.

      You were warned.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        I will be the broken record, but not really his fault. But then again I don’t believe all the success as his either. 🙂

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        @taiwan_girl said in The economic record:

        I will be the broken record, but not really his fault. But then again I don’t believe all the success as his either. 🙂

        I get that, however, it remains the case that when you see presidential administrations compared by economic records partly-to-mostly out of their control, Trump will stand out for his inferiority.

        You were warned.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Facts don’t care about your feelings, Jolly.

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          @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

          Facts don’t care about your feelings, Jolly.

          Facts are always considered in light of events. To do otherwise is disingenuous.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

            Facts don’t care about your feelings, Jolly.

            Facts are always considered in light of events. To do otherwise is disingenuous.

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            @Jolly said in The economic record:

            Facts are always considered in light of events. To do otherwise is disingenuous.

            What does this even mean? Facts are facts. If something changes in light of an event, then it wasn't a fact, it was something else -- a projection, a supposition, an educated guess, whatever.

            It would be truer to say that events are considered (whatever "considered" means in this case) in light of the facts. Though that probably isn't always true, either.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • Catseye3C Catseye3

              @Jolly said in The economic record:

              Facts are always considered in light of events. To do otherwise is disingenuous.

              What does this even mean? Facts are facts. If something changes in light of an event, then it wasn't a fact, it was something else -- a projection, a supposition, an educated guess, whatever.

              It would be truer to say that events are considered (whatever "considered" means in this case) in light of the facts. Though that probably isn't always true, either.

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              #9

              @Catseye3 said in The economic record:

              @Jolly said in The economic record:

              Facts are always considered in light of events. To do otherwise is disingenuous.

              What does this even mean? Facts are facts. If something changes in light of an event, then it wasn't a fact, it was something else -- a projection, a supposition, an educated guess, whatever.

              It would be truer to say that events are considered (whatever "considered" means in this case) in light of the facts. Though that probably isn't always true, either.

              Take WW2 out of it, and FDR was an economic failure.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

                If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

                1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

                2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

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                @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

                Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

                If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

                1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

                2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

                This list seems somehow incomplete.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #11

                  True. But GDP, Jobs, and Debt are certainly 3 of the top...thinking on the fly... 6 metrics maybe?

                  I'd add trade deficit (he was record bad), inflation (good) and market (good).

                  You were warned.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Yeah Covid. But these are the facts:

                    If Trump's term were to end today his economic record would be as follows:

                    1. 1.37% avg annual GDP, the lowest ever for a President.

                    2. 800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                    3. $7 Trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

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                    @jon-nyc said in The economic record:

                    800,000 lost jobs. The most by any President over his term.

                    October's numbers show 685K new jobs.

                    Does your comment include those?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

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                        @Jolly said in The economic record:

                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Jolly said in The economic record:

                          Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                          I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                          Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

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                          @George-K said in The economic record:

                          @Jolly said in The economic record:

                          Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                          I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                          Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                          And it has been that way over most, if not all, if the First World.

                          But Trump...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

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                              @Axtremus said in The economic record:

                              You can, for example, compare the percentage changes in those economic metrics between the US and other advanced economies.

                              OK. You made the claim.

                              Have at it.

                              And no, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                                Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                                  Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                                  @Axtremus said in The economic record:

                                  I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.

                                  alt text

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Jolly said in The economic record:

                                    Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                                    I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                                    Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

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                                    @George-K said in The economic record:

                                    @Jolly said in The economic record:

                                    Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                                    I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                                    Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                                    And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                                      Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

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                                      @Axtremus said in The economic record:

                                      I’m also not planning on doing that homework either.
                                      Then again, I’m not the one arguing against the comparisons @jon-nyc posted.

                                      Calhoun don't want that ball!

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @George-K said in The economic record:

                                        @Jolly said in The economic record:

                                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                                        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                                        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                                        And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

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                                        @Mik said in The economic record:

                                        @George-K said in The economic record:

                                        @Jolly said in The economic record:

                                        Growth of 33.9% for the last quarter, wasn't it? I could be wrong...

                                        I think Jon's looking at it over the years of his presidency.

                                        Overall, he's probably right, when you average it out. 2020 was disastrous.

                                        And would have been disastrous regardless of who was in government.

                                        And most sentient beings without an ad to grind, know it.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          The depression would have sucked for any president.

                                          It shows up in Hoover’s stats.

                                          Them’s the breaks.

                                          You were warned.

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