USA and CSA
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I think the change happened mostly during the first and second world wars.
Not quite the same thing, but another interesting data point - Vicksburg capitulated on July 4th, 1863. The next time the city formally celebrated the 4th of July was in 1945.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in USA and CSA:
@xenon said in USA and CSA:
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
They did, but not the Stars and Bars you see today.
It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in USA and CSA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in USA and CSA:
@xenon said in USA and CSA:
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
They did, but not the Stars and Bars you see today.
Jon,
Fuck you.
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I knew you’d take note of that post.
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Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion. -
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little. -
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little.Women didn't die gruesomely in wars nearly at the level men did, either.
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little.Don't know much about individual freedoms and state's rights do you?
