USA and CSA
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I saw a couple of pictures of a re-open Michigan protest - and was surprised to see confederate flags among the protesters. (Pretty far north for that, no?)
Now that's completely unrelated to the thought this triggered.
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
Everyone (I think) reveres the USA flag now - but what did the people in the South think of the Stars and Stripes right after the war? If someone was in the war on the CSA side, would they ever fly it above their house? (I'm guessing not)
Does any of that sentiment still continue to today (that is - balking at the regular USA flag. Or seeing it as a ' Yankee' flag?)
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@xenon said in USA and CSA:
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
They did, but not the Stars and Bars you see today. Most of them flew state confederate flags, or this:
The confederate flag is still big in my home town. Hell a huge one was flown by some parents at my high school graduation.
No one I've ever met who displays the modern confederate flag hates the American flag, or hates America. They're just into their culture. (Which, no, does not have anything to do with slavery, no matter how many times "enlightened" city folk insist on the contrary. It's a lot more complicated than that.)
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I think the change happened mostly during the first and second world wars.
Not quite the same thing, but another interesting data point - Vicksburg capitulated on July 4th, 1863. The next time the city formally celebrated the 4th of July was in 1945.
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I know guys that still fly the Confederate Navy Jack...
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@Aqua-Letifer said in USA and CSA:
@xenon said in USA and CSA:
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
They did, but not the Stars and Bars you see today.
It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in USA and CSA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in USA and CSA:
@xenon said in USA and CSA:
In the Civil War, the Union flew the the Stars and Stripes while the confederates flew the Stars and Bars.
They did, but not the Stars and Bars you see today.
Jon,
Fuck you.
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I knew you’d take note of that post.
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Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion. -
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little. -
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little.Women didn't die gruesomely in wars nearly at the level men did, either.
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@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
@Axtremus said in USA and CSA:
@Jolly said in USA and CSA:
Do remember, a citizen has less rights in 2020 than in 1861...
Which part of 1861, and do you consider slave a citizen?
Slaves weren't citizens in 1861, but you knew that. So did Lincoln, who would have gladly shipped them back to Africa.
Yeah, so you definitely know you were excluding slaves when you wrote that post.
Now let’s consider the women ... do you consider a woman a citizen in 1861?
Yes.
Do you think a woman citizen in 1861 has more rights than a woman citizen in 2020?
Yes.
Then, quite simply, you think wrong and your world view is wrong.
Male citizens may have had more rights in 1861, but humans in general, once you include slaves and women, on the whole did not have more rights in 1861. If you have to exclude slaves and women to make a statement on rights, that statement means little.Don't know much about individual freedoms and state's rights do you?
