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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    18 revelations from President Trump tax returns

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    • LarryL Offline
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      Are you aware that 1. Yahoo news is even more leftwing propagandists than the New York Times, are utterly useless as a news source, and that obtaining and making public another person's tax returns is a federal crime?

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      • LarryL Larry

        Are you aware that 1. Yahoo news is even more leftwing propagandists than the New York Times, are utterly useless as a news source, and that obtaining and making public another person's tax returns is a federal crime?

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        @Larry the article is from The NY Times. Can be read with out a subscription.

        Yes, I realize that releasing someone’s taxes without their knowledge is a crime and if the person is caught, they should be procsecuted.

        Do you believe that what was released was correct information on President Trump?

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          Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Larry the article is from The NY Times. Can be read with out a subscription.

            Yes, I realize that releasing someone’s taxes without their knowledge is a crime and if the person is caught, they should be procsecuted.

            Do you believe that what was released was correct information on President Trump?

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            @taiwan_girl said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

            @Larry the article is from The NY Times. Can be read with out a subscription.

            Yes, I realize that releasing someone’s taxes without their knowledge is a crime and if the person is caught, they should be procsecuted.

            Do you believe that what was released was correct information on President Trump?

            No. No, I don't. It has been sensationalized at every opportunity, and much of it is presented using half truths. For example, the bullet point about how "Ivanka Trump has been on the payroll, further reducing his taxes". Ivanka Trump WORKS THERE. She's SUPPOSED to get a paycheck. There's nothing wrong with that. She paid taxes on it, so it's a silly point. Most of it is almost as silly.

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            • KlausK Klaus

              Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

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              @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

              Donald Trump. If a newspaper released ten or twenty years worth of your tax returns, you'd care too. Espe silly if it had been released by a bunch of jackals who were bent on destroying you.

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              • LarryL Larry

                @taiwan_girl said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                @Larry the article is from The NY Times. Can be read with out a subscription.

                Yes, I realize that releasing someone’s taxes without their knowledge is a crime and if the person is caught, they should be procsecuted.

                Do you believe that what was released was correct information on President Trump?

                No. No, I don't. It has been sensationalized at every opportunity, and much of it is presented using half truths. For example, the bullet point about how "Ivanka Trump has been on the payroll, further reducing his taxes". Ivanka Trump WORKS THERE. She's SUPPOSED to get a paycheck. There's nothing wrong with that. She paid taxes on it, so it's a silly point. Most of it is almost as silly.

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                @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                @taiwan_girl said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                @Larry the article is from The NY Times. Can be read with out a subscription.

                Yes, I realize that releasing someone’s taxes without their knowledge is a crime and if the person is caught, they should be procsecuted.

                Do you believe that what was released was correct information on President Trump?

                No. No, I don't. It has been sensationalized at every opportunity, and much of it is presented using half truths. For example, the bullet point about how "Ivanka Trump has been on the payroll, further reducing his taxes". Ivanka Trump WORKS THERE. She's SUPPOSED to get a paycheck. There's nothing wrong with that. She paid taxes on it, so it's a silly point. Most of it is almost as silly.

                I think the “concern” was that she was an employee and on the payroll, and at the same time receiving money as a consultant from the same company, which they can “write off”. No idea if it were legal or not.

                And, as been said before

                If you suppprt President Trump - “ So what? He is still President Trump. This doesn’t change anything.”

                If you are against President Trump - “See! I told you! He is still President Trump and hasn’t changed at all!”

                Going to change only a few people mind. My concern would by what @jon said. If you owe a lot of money to someone,, that could be a worry.

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                • KlausK Klaus

                  Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

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                  @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

                  I do. A lot.

                  If his can be posted with impunity, so can anybody else's.

                  I want to see Hunter Biden's.

                  In fact, I want to see whomever I choose, on demand.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • LarryL Offline
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                    Not if you have a lot of money to pay it. And there's nothing that proves he doesnt.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

                      I do. A lot.

                      If his can be posted with impunity, so can anybody else's.

                      I want to see Hunter Biden's.

                      In fact, I want to see whomever I choose, on demand.

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                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                      Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

                      I do. A lot.

                      If his can be posted with impunity, so can anybody else's.

                      I want to see Hunter Biden's.

                      In fact, I want to see whomever I choose, on demand.

                      Well, if laws were broken, then that should be sorted out in a lawsuit involving Trump and the culprits, and the appropriate sentences should be handed out.

                      But that doesn't change anything about the conclusions the public can draw from that material. This is not a "tainted evidence that cannot be used in a lawsuit" kind of situation.

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                        Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • LarryL Larry

                          @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

                          Donald Trump. If a newspaper released ten or twenty years worth of your tax returns, you'd care too. Espe silly if it had been released by a bunch of jackals who were bent on destroying you.

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                          @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

                          Donald Trump. If a newspaper released ten or twenty years worth of your tax returns, you'd care too. Espe silly if it had been released by a bunch of jackals who were bent on destroying you.

                          Yes, Trump has reason to care about the release. But I'm saying it makes no difference to the public.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

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                            @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                            Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                            Don't call them devotees, they don't like it. A more acceptable term is 'Supporters of the single greatest President this Republic has ever seen'.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                              Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

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                              @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                              Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                              Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                              The Brad

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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                                This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

                                I was only joking

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                  Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                  Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                  Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                  Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                                  Really good points and any good tax advisory service would point out all the things they were doing to your tax return. Duh

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                    Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                                    This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                                    Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                                    This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

                                    The fact is that the numbers the Times are reporting are useless without context. Compensation takes place in ALOT of ways, a lot of which don’t show up on a P&L.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LarryL Larry

                                      @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

                                      Nonsense.

                                      I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

                                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/

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                                      @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

                                      Nonsense.

                                      I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

                                      Nope they have the returns for the whole Trump organization, not just his personal returns. In fact, they're missing 2018 and 2019 of his personal returns.

                                      The Forbes piece was just estimates.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        And the NYT figures are “We promise! Trust us!” numbers without context or supporting docs...

                                        The Brad

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                                          I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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