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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    #1233

    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-defies-trump-and-tightens-its-grip-on-hormuz-01a4e32b?mod=Searchresults&pos=1&page=1

    The U.S. and Iran are teetering on the brink of a dangerous new phase of the war, as both turn to military force to break a standoff in the Strait of Hormuz that has paralyzed shipping and imposed costs on both sides.

    Fighting flared for the first time in about a month Monday, with the U.S. Navy trying to open the waterway and Iran hitting commercial ships to keep it closed.

    The U.S. said it used Apache helicopters to sink Iranian speedboats harassing traffic in the strait. Iran hit a critical oil port in the United Arab Emirates and several vessels around the strategic waterway.

    The return to a more openly violent chapter will test both sides. Each has reason to try to force an end to the current paralysis in the strait. But they also face substantial risks if the skirmishing escalates out of control—for Iran, greater damage to its economy and leadership, and for President Trump, deeper involvement in a war that is unpopular at home.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      From Greg Brew:

      Imagine you are Iran's leadership. You fought the US to a draw. You control the Strait of Hormuz. Trump's advisors are telling reporters that he is desperate for a deal, unwilling to return to bombing, and eager to move on.

      Do you accept US demands on the nuclear program...or do you keep negotiating, in the hopes of securing an even better deal?

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        #1235

        When this is all over, things will pretty much the way they were before this started. (Yes, there will be some talk on nuclear, but definitely Iran will have some sort of program, whether for civilian or military use.)

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #1236

          Ran across this today. I need to buy three intraeuropean tickets and two US-EUR tickets for September and October.

          Good times!

          IMG_2382.png

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #1237

            Interesting

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
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              #1238

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
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                #1239

                Iran basically seeking our surrender. Unclear why Trump has the patience to go so many weeks when this is still their negotiating position. Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Iran basically seeking our surrender. Unclear why Trump has the patience to go so many weeks when this is still their negotiating position. Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by Renauda
                  #1240

                  @jon-nyc

                  Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

                  Via the good offices of the Kremlin and the FSB, the Iranians are passing negotiation points and concessions to Steve “Dim Philby” Witkoff during his nightly sleeps. Then the next day, Dim then passes them to Trump during breakfast or work hours or if it’s a weekend, at the golf course.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    #1241

                    IN THE STRAIT of Hormuz, Iran has developed an asymmetrical naval strategy that is crippling the passage of container ships. This “hemostat” uses guerrilla tactics, after Iran's “traditional” fleet was almost entirely destroyed by US and Israeli attacks. No longer able to rely on specialized military ships, Tehran is using an unconventional force made up of dozens of small military vessels armed with missiles, machine guns, and drones. Quick and nimble, this “mosquito fleet” is capable of assaulting ships carrying tons of cargo.

                    In mid-April, US president Donald Trump had reassured the public in a post on Truth Social that Iran's hemostat fleet did not pose a major problem for the US and Israel. “The Iranian Navy lies at the bottom of the sea, completely annihilated: 158 ships,” Trump wrote. “What we didn't hit are their small numbers of what they call ‘fast attack boats’ because we didn't consider them a big threat.” Less than 10 days later, on April 22, an Iranian attack conducted with the small vessels led to the seizure of two large container ships leaving the Strait of Hormuz, changing the course of the war.

                    and

                    “The effectiveness of Iran's fleet of small boats comes from their numbers and their use in swarms, which makes them difficult to counter,” Eisenstadt adds. “Iran has over a thousand of these small boats armed with rockets, machine guns, anti-ship missiles, and mines.” In this way, Tehran can pose a serious naval threat even though much of its military fleet has been destroyed.

                    “As Iran showed in March, it can close the straits by launching only a few dozen drones against oil tankers and cargo ships in the Persian Gulf,

                    https://www.wired.com/story/iran-is-using-tiny-mosquito-boats-to-shut-down-the-strait-of-hormuz/

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      #1242

                      Ugh, mosquitos.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #1243

                        Oh joy.

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Oh joy.

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                            @jon-nyc

                            If true, I wonder who he will blame? The Kurds? Nato? Zelenskyi? Obama?

                            Am I missing someone?

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Mik

                              We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

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                              @Mik said:

                              We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

                              Am sure the Ukrainians have an inexpensive app and hardware tailored just for that very purpose.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                I suspect we could keep some planes surveilling the area in play. An A10 should handle little boats nicely.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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