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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    In the US, the general population also does not support regime change as the ultimate goal, regardless of who sits in the White House or which party controls Congress.

    I suspect that is true also for most EU and NATO countries.

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    #1230

    @Axtremus said:

    In the US, the general population also does not support regime change as the ultimate goal, regardless of who sits in the White House or which party controls Congress.

    I suspect that is true also for most EU and NATO countries.

    Don’t get me wrong, the ultimate goal is to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons and wage war abroad through proxies. Regime change is fundamental to achieving both those objectives. If the general population of Western democracies can’t wrap their head around that, their respective governments aren’t doing their job effectively.

    Elbows up!

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      I cannot help but wonder what would have happened had we attacked Iran's nuclear and military facilities in 2003 instead of invading Iraq. Hussein was a bad actor but was governed by self-interest. Not so the Iranian regime.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        The United States will launch an effort on Monday to “guide” stranded ships from the Iran-gripped Strait of Hormuz , President Donald Trump said, giving few details about what could be a sweeping effort to help hundreds of vessels and some 20,000 seafarers.

        Trump said in a social media post on Sunday that “neutral and innocent” countries have been affected by the Iran war , and “we have told these Countries that we will guide their Ships safely out of these restricted Waterways, so that they can freely and ably get on with their business.”

        “Project Freedom” would begin on Monday morning in the Middle East, Trump said, adding that his representatives are having discussions with Iran that could lead to something “very positive for all.”

        U.S. Central Command said the initiative would involve guided-missile destroyers, more than 100 aircraft and 15,000 service members. The Pentagon did not immediately answer questions about how they would be deployed.

        https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-war-ceasefire-negotiations-strait-454006a0a9bb19a45a2f299c0869cefb

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          https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-defies-trump-and-tightens-its-grip-on-hormuz-01a4e32b?mod=Searchresults&pos=1&page=1

          The U.S. and Iran are teetering on the brink of a dangerous new phase of the war, as both turn to military force to break a standoff in the Strait of Hormuz that has paralyzed shipping and imposed costs on both sides.

          Fighting flared for the first time in about a month Monday, with the U.S. Navy trying to open the waterway and Iran hitting commercial ships to keep it closed.

          The U.S. said it used Apache helicopters to sink Iranian speedboats harassing traffic in the strait. Iran hit a critical oil port in the United Arab Emirates and several vessels around the strategic waterway.

          The return to a more openly violent chapter will test both sides. Each has reason to try to force an end to the current paralysis in the strait. But they also face substantial risks if the skirmishing escalates out of control—for Iran, greater damage to its economy and leadership, and for President Trump, deeper involvement in a war that is unpopular at home.

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            From Greg Brew:

            Imagine you are Iran's leadership. You fought the US to a draw. You control the Strait of Hormuz. Trump's advisors are telling reporters that he is desperate for a deal, unwilling to return to bombing, and eager to move on.

            Do you accept US demands on the nuclear program...or do you keep negotiating, in the hopes of securing an even better deal?

            There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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              #1235

              When this is all over, things will pretty much the way they were before this started. (Yes, there will be some talk on nuclear, but definitely Iran will have some sort of program, whether for civilian or military use.)

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                #1236

                Ran across this today. I need to buy three intraeuropean tickets and two US-EUR tickets for September and October.

                Good times!

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                There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                  #1237

                  Interesting

                  There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                    #1238

                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                      #1239

                      Iran basically seeking our surrender. Unclear why Trump has the patience to go so many weeks when this is still their negotiating position. Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

                      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Iran basically seeking our surrender. Unclear why Trump has the patience to go so many weeks when this is still their negotiating position. Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

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                        Renauda
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                        #1240

                        @jon-nyc

                        Maybe they have others whispering about possible concessions just enough to string him along.

                        Via the good offices of the Kremlin and the FSB, the Iranians are passing negotiation points and concessions to Steve “Dim Philby” Witkoff during his nightly sleeps. Then the next day, Dim then passes them to Trump during breakfast or work hours or if it’s a weekend, at the golf course.

                        Elbows up!

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                          IN THE STRAIT of Hormuz, Iran has developed an asymmetrical naval strategy that is crippling the passage of container ships. This “hemostat” uses guerrilla tactics, after Iran's “traditional” fleet was almost entirely destroyed by US and Israeli attacks. No longer able to rely on specialized military ships, Tehran is using an unconventional force made up of dozens of small military vessels armed with missiles, machine guns, and drones. Quick and nimble, this “mosquito fleet” is capable of assaulting ships carrying tons of cargo.

                          In mid-April, US president Donald Trump had reassured the public in a post on Truth Social that Iran's hemostat fleet did not pose a major problem for the US and Israel. “The Iranian Navy lies at the bottom of the sea, completely annihilated: 158 ships,” Trump wrote. “What we didn't hit are their small numbers of what they call ‘fast attack boats’ because we didn't consider them a big threat.” Less than 10 days later, on April 22, an Iranian attack conducted with the small vessels led to the seizure of two large container ships leaving the Strait of Hormuz, changing the course of the war.

                          and

                          “The effectiveness of Iran's fleet of small boats comes from their numbers and their use in swarms, which makes them difficult to counter,” Eisenstadt adds. “Iran has over a thousand of these small boats armed with rockets, machine guns, anti-ship missiles, and mines.” In this way, Tehran can pose a serious naval threat even though much of its military fleet has been destroyed.

                          “As Iran showed in March, it can close the straits by launching only a few dozen drones against oil tankers and cargo ships in the Persian Gulf,

                          https://www.wired.com/story/iran-is-using-tiny-mosquito-boats-to-shut-down-the-strait-of-hormuz/

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                            Ugh, mosquitos.

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                              Oh joy.

                              There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Oh joy.

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                                  @jon-nyc

                                  If true, I wonder who he will blame? The Kurds? Nato? Zelenskyi? Obama?

                                  Am I missing someone?

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

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                                    @Mik said:

                                    We should be able to identify mosquito boats with drones and smash them.

                                    Am sure the Ukrainians have an inexpensive app and hardware tailored just for that very purpose.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      I suspect we could keep some planes surveilling the area in play. An A10 should handle little boats nicely.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        I suspect we could keep some planes surveilling the area in play. An A10 should handle little boats nicely.

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                                        #1248

                                        @Mik said:

                                        I suspect we could keep some planes surveilling the area in play. An A10 should handle little boats nicely.

                                        They’re all armed though. There might be too many for an A10 to kill before it is killed. (Just speculating)

                                        There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                          I feel like we’ve seen this movie before.

                                          There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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