The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

[AndyD]

Well he doesn't mince words.

Perhaps Iran attempting to strike Diego Garcia base with long range missiles touched a nerve.

[bachophile]

they threatened the desalinization plants in the gulf to deny them water.

its getting ugly

[jon-nyc]

[jon-nyc]

A lot of prominent Iranian dissidents abroad are asking Trump not to attack the power plants, including Reza Palavi and that woman in Brooklyn they keep trying to kill.

In the background I’m sure the GCC are asking him to hold off too.

I think there’s a good chance he calls it off and says it’s in deference (not the word he’d use) to the dissidents.

[AndyD]

Who knows, he may yet turn a lengthy strip of the Persian Gulf waterfront to glass.

[jon-nyc]

I think it’s more likely to tip him to occupying Kharg island.

[Mik]

No nukes will be used. I think Jon's right. Opening up Hormuz is paramount.

[Renauda]

No, nukes will not be deployed. There are plenty of conventional weapons that can complete the mission.

The danger is whether the Iranians, in suicidal desperation, deploy their chemical stockpile.

Then the gloves come will off.

[Mik]

I read they are using the supposedly obsolete A10s to hunt the fast boats.

I’m a bit surprised our military did not have measures in place to keep the Strait open.

[jon-nyc]

I've thought about that too. A couple of ideas:

• Maybe they game out actual physical closure due to mines, fast boats with guns, etc, which largely hasn't happened. This closure seems to be caused by insurance markets refusing to paper the crossings.

• Maybe the countermeasures require ground forces that Trump just hasn't approved yet.

[jon-nyc]

jon-nyc said:

I think there’s a good chance he calls it off and says it’s in deference (not the word he’d use) to the dissidents.

Or not.

[kluurs]

Word is that Putin told Trump he's really, really impressed with what we've done in Iran. Put that in the "win" column.

[Renauda]

@kluurs said:

Word is that Putin told Trump he's really, really impressed with what we've done in Iran.

That has got to be worth 30 pieces of silver to Trump.

[Mik]

That’s when you know you have royally fucked up.

“Never stop your enemy when he’s making a mistake “

[Renauda]

…. It’s bad manners”.

~ Rod Steiger as Napoleon in the film Waterloo snickers as he watches Wellington position his army in the field the morning of the battle.

Napoleon probably said no such thing at the time.

[jon-nyc]

Paywalled piece in the Economist summarizing Trump’s 4 options, but the tweet summarizes them nicely.

[bachophile]

I AM PLEASE TO REPORT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE COUNTRY OF IRAN, HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BASED ON THE TENOR AND TONE OF THESE IN DEPTH, DETAILED, AND CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, WITCH WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ONGOING MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP

[jon-nyc]

Wow.

[bachophile]

witch (sic)

[jon-nyc]

Was Israel at the table or on the menu?

It’s easier to imagine them promising whatever they need to in order to get the bombs to stop than to actually give up their proxies and their ballistic missile program. Or even “civilian” nuclear. But we’ll see.