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Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    @klaus Right but those are pretty accurately accessed by public heath professionals which is why you don’t see yellow fever vaccines in the recommended panel.

    I would caution you against assuming there’s even an ounce of rationality behind the anti-vax movement. It’s one part naturalistic fallacy, two parts resentment, and three parts conspiratorial thinking.

    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @klaus Right but those are pretty accurately accessed by public heath professionals which is why you don’t see yellow fever vaccines in the recommended panel.

      I would caution you against assuming there’s even an ounce of rationality behind the anti-vax movement. It’s one part naturalistic fallacy, two parts resentment, and three parts conspiratorial thinking.

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      @jon-nyc said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

      @klaus Right but those are really accurately accessed by public heath professionals which is why you don’t see yellow fever vaccines in the recommended panel.

      I would caution you against assuming there’s even an ounce of rationality behind the anti-vax movement. It’s one part naturalistic fallacy, two parts resentment, and three parts conspiratorial thinking.

      There are plenty of coherent arguments that the COVID vaccine was on the wrong side of risk/reward for a large section of the populace who were economically forced to take it.

      Education is extremely important.

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        @klaus Right but those are pretty accurately accessed by public heath professionals which is why you don’t see yellow fever vaccines in the recommended panel.

        I would caution you against assuming there’s even an ounce of rationality behind the anti-vax movement. It’s one part naturalistic fallacy, two parts resentment, and three parts conspiratorial thinking.

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        said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

        @klaus Right but those are pretty accurately accessed by public heath professionals which is why you don’t see yellow fever vaccines in the recommended panel.

        The one exception to this, sort of, is late adolescent males and the Covid vaccine. I say ‘sort of’ because it took a while for the data to come in so some delay is to be expected, also how the benefit-risk shakes out is highly dependent on things like severity of the current wave, brand of vaccine, dosing interval, etc. Still, when there was a reasonable amount of data available to show it was borderline or worse there were still public health officials who were afraid to address it lest they fuel vaccine hesitancy more broadly. A friend of mine was a lonely but ultimately effective voice in preventing a major university from requiring Covid vaccines in incoming freshman for this very reason.

        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          Anybody who would say that, say, the polio vaccine is worse than the disease is just insane. Like, that person should go into a mental institution immediately.

          For Covid vaccines, there are some grey areas, as you say.

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            Anybody who would say that, say, the polio vaccine is worse than the disease is just insane. Like, that person should go into a mental institution immediately.

            For Covid vaccines, there are some grey areas, as you say.

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            @Klaus said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

            Anybody who would say that, say, the polio vaccine is worse than the disease is just insane. Like, that person should go into a mental institution immediately.

            That's like 99% of Trump voters, man.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Now it looks like Prasad was just sidelined on the decision (no doubt due to pressure described above), so the leaders of CBER that he had overruled just withdrew his letter in a meeting with Moderna and issued a new letter agreeing to review the original submission. So basically ex post ante. I suspect the White House itself was involved.

              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                As U.S. hospitals face an increasing risk of encountering measles, and pressure to immediately spot it, health care workers face an unusual barrier: Many don't know what it looks like.

                https://www.news-medical.net/news/20260224/Hospitals-fighting-measles-confront-a-challenge-Few-doctors-have-seen-it-before.aspx

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                  As U.S. hospitals face an increasing risk of encountering measles, and pressure to immediately spot it, health care workers face an unusual barrier: Many don't know what it looks like.

                  https://www.news-medical.net/news/20260224/Hospitals-fighting-measles-confront-a-challenge-Few-doctors-have-seen-it-before.aspx

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                  @taiwan_girl said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

                  As U.S. hospitals face an increasing risk of encountering measles, and pressure to immediately spot it, health care workers face an unusual barrier: Many don't know what it looks like.

                  https://www.news-medical.net/news/20260224/Hospitals-fighting-measles-confront-a-challenge-Few-doctors-have-seen-it-before.aspx

                  Kinda surprised, it feels like every other physician I see is from some country where measles is still more prevalent than here, even with the outbreaks.

                  The Brad

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                    https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/fdas-controversial-vaccines-chief-will-leave-the-agency-7fe59aa3

                    Dr. Vinay Prasad, who has led the FDA’s vaccines and biotech drugs division, will depart at the end of April, FDA Commissioner Marty Makary said Friday. Federal health officials are searching for his replacement, Makary said.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      The alternative would never!

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                      @Axtremus said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

                      The alternative would never!

                      On that I have to agree. He should stick to food additives.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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