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  • 89th8 Online
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    wrote last edited by
    #51

    Does Anthropic or any gen AI company these days prevent the use of AI on "unclassified commercial data"? By that definition, that data is already available (probably for purchase) by any company or prompt jockey. Unless you think it's a coincidence that you searched for Dyson vacuums or walked by a Dyson vacuum store and start seeing ads for them.

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      #52

      This just in from the Department of Obvious Reality:

      OpenAI CEO says company can't tell Pentagon how to use its AI tech

      https://seekingalpha.com/news/4560857-openai-ceo-says-company-cant-tell-pentagon-how-to-use-its-ai-tech?share_source=shared_news?source=reddit

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #53

        The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

        The remedy for a customer is to switch vendors. Perhaps even a law suit if they think a contract was violated. It ends there. It does not include using government power to punish the company let alone threaten its viability.

        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

          The remedy for a customer is to switch vendors. Perhaps even a law suit if they think a contract was violated. It ends there. It does not include using government power to punish the company let alone threaten its viability.

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          @jon-nyc said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

          The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

          Tantalizing. But since you didn't cite the example, I assume it's not a very good analogy to a defense contractor trying to limit what the DoD can do, within the law.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Away
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            #55

            Despite the relatively narrow focus of this particular instance, it's a conversation on guardrails we badly need to have and, I think, constructive.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              #56

              It’s a good conversation to have, but we can’t control what the rest of the world will do, and we’re not going to competitively hamstring ourselves. At least not until enough America hating Dems take the reins. It’s easy to see undercurrents of the more progressive left who would be happy to see America lose military and economic superiority.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                #57

                The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                  The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                  The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                  The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

                  Everybody in this thread has stipulated that that's wrong. And whether something is your issue or not, for your personal dunking purposes, does not define what all the issues are. Anthropic's attempt to rein in the DoD's usage of its technology is a very important issue, and probably of longer term consequence than the idiotic retribution from the Trump administration against Anthropic.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    #59

                    I’d say the opposite. DoD will swap out Anthropic in a few months. If the punishment isn’t reversed in court Anthropic could go from being one of the worlds best AI firms to a non player. Given the stakes of the global competition that seems potentially costly.

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      #60

                      They were maybe winning by some metrics a marathon that is in its first quarter mile. And if they collapse or become economically weak, their best human assets will on-board with a winner.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • 89th8 Online
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                        89th
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                        #61

                        Eventually the "coding by AI" thing that Anthropic does well will be similar to the early days where "searching by Yahoo" was the way to find things on the internet.... eventually any company will be able to do it. We see it with Cursor, and Codex, and a million other coding by AI firms, it seems. I'm surprised Google doesn't have one yet, maybe it does but I'm still a n00b when it comes to prompt jockey skills, especially compared to @horace !

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          Eventually the "coding by AI" thing that Anthropic does well will be similar to the early days where "searching by Yahoo" was the way to find things on the internet.... eventually any company will be able to do it. We see it with Cursor, and Codex, and a million other coding by AI firms, it seems. I'm surprised Google doesn't have one yet, maybe it does but I'm still a n00b when it comes to prompt jockey skills, especially compared to @horace !

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                          @89th said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                          Eventually the "coding by AI" thing that Anthropic does well will be similar to the early days where "searching by Yahoo" was the way to find things on the internet.... eventually any company will be able to do it. We see it with Cursor, and Codex, and a million other coding by AI firms, it seems. I'm surprised Google doesn't have one yet, maybe it does but I'm still a n00b when it comes to prompt jockey skills, especially compared to @horace !

                          I wrote a metric that is better than I could have created in practice, and which is theoretically elegant, just yesterday. Unfortunately it didn't take much in the way of prompt skills. I did ask it questions though. Here, have a look.

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                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • MikM Away
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                            #63

                            Makes me glad I don't code anymore. But if I did I'd surely have been an early adopter.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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