The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread
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@jon-nyc said in The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread:
First US casualties reported.
That's officially over the threshold of US casualties that most of the opposition are willing to allow, including on the right. Glenn Greenwald and Tucker among them.
My biggest issue with those sorts of arguments is how unaligned they are with people who actually join the military. Imagine joining the army under the moral condition that no foreign entanglement will be worth it if a single member of the armed forces loses their life over it. Nobody joins with that assumption, and I just bet that most people who join aren't exactly dreading the prospect of seeing some dangerous action. It's so cheap to impose the attitudes of the mothers of the armed forces members onto the whole culture. And you know those guys aren't actually opposed to the wars on that basis. It's just rhetorically convenient.
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@jon-nyc said in The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread:
Matt asks some reasonable questions.
Seems likely that whatever rushes in to fill the vacuum will be at least a little better than what was there. Obviously the new leaders will be living under a credible death threat from Israel and the USA, which I guess will motivate them to some extent.
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The above questions make me happy Israel is closely involved. I trust them to be more focused on this in the medium and long term than Trump and his appointees.
@jon-nyc said in The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread:
The above questions make me happy Israel is closely involved. I trust them to be more focused on this in the medium and long term than Trump and his appointees.
And presumably you trust them to be more focused than the next Dem administration.
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Yes, because while the next democratic administration will likely have a longer attention span, at the end of the day Israel will always have a lot more skin in the game. They can’t afford to cut bait if things get messy.
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Yes, because while the next democratic administration will likely have a longer attention span, at the end of the day Israel will always have a lot more skin in the game. They can’t afford to cut bait if things get messy.
@jon-nyc said in The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread:
Yes, because while the next democratic administration will likely have a longer attention span, at the end of the day Israel will always have a lot more skin in the game. They can’t afford to cut bait if things get messy.
If you get a Kamala or a Newsom you can count on the pro-israel stance to continue, but you might be avoiding discussing what happens when an anti-Israel POTUS occurs. It's obviously realistic within the next few elections.
I don't see why it's unrealistic for Tucker types or Dave Smith types to vote for an economic populist anti-Zionist Democrat.
