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The impact of AI on jobs

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  • KlausK Klaus

    @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

    I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

    Anthropic had this impressive breakthrough recently where they let 10 Claude agents simultaneously produce code for a C compiler - which is insanely impressive, but if you look at the details you'll see that the "prompt" contained, among other things, thousands of test cases (which is part of the spec).

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    @Klaus said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

    I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

    Anthropic had this impressive breakthrough recently where they let 10 Claude agents simultaneously produce code for a C compiler - which is insanely impressive, but if you look at the details you'll see that the "prompt" contained, among other things, thousands of test cases (which is part of the spec).

    Agentic AIs will build their own test cases, and so on and so on. I'm a bull on the power of this technology, given where it is, at such a young age.

    Education is extremely important.

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      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

          I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

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          @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

          Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

          I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

          Agreed. It's not that far from it now. Testing will still be needed and reviewing results. No doubt a lot of that can be automated, but it will still exist.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            I'm still really on my daughter to learn how to incorporate it into project management. She has the opportunity to be ahead of the competition.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              @taiwan_girl said in The impact of AI on jobs:

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              That's hilarious. That being said, I know some people who might have answered the same way. Some of them are in senior management, with the emphasis being strongly on 'senior'.

              I was only joking

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                Artificial Unintelligence.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  For a programmer, it's a good time to have most of your career behind you.

                  https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening

                  Excerpt:

                  I am no longer needed for the actual technical work of my job. I describe what I want built, in plain English, and it just... appears. Not a rough draft I need to fix. The finished thing. I tell the AI what I want, walk away from my computer for four hours, and come back to find the work done. Done well, done better than I would have done it myself, with no corrections needed. A couple of months ago, I was going back and forth with the AI, guiding it, making edits. Now I just describe the outcome and leave.

                  Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

                  I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

                  But it was the model that was released last week (GPT-5.3 Codex) that shook me the most. It wasn't just executing my instructions. It was making intelligent decisions. It had something that felt, for the first time, like judgment. Like taste. The inexplicable sense of knowing what the right call is that people always said AI would never have. This model has it, or something close enough that the distinction is starting not to matter.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Yeah and we're still in the infancy years of it. Admittedly I was stubborn and refused to embrace AI for a year or two, but not only have I started to integrate it into my work (mostly summarizing content, identifying the best big data queries to use) but now I have a post-it note on my desk to get into Claude. It seems it's easy to create a digital robot to perform so many tasks now. I hope to retire in 10-12 years and hope I can dodge the AI hammer until then.

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                      We’re about to enter into a golden age of computer games. Everybody with a good idea will be able to build a game around it, no artists or programmers required. I wonder wha big game studios will bring to the table other than interference from the marketing department.

                      Education is extremely important.

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