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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    We have an engineer retiring in May. We just requested a job rec for his replacement, and one of the senior executives who has to give authorization asked whether his job could be replaced by an AI.

    To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

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    @Doctor-Phibes said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

    SAys the manager who uses AI to write his employee reviews.

    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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      I for one doubt that good programmers will be out of jobs anytime soon.

      For once, only programmers can write specifications that are precise enough that AIs can generate code from it.

      Of course programmers need to learn how to use LLMs to boost their productivity. But we'll also have a much higher demand for software. It's a kind of self-correcting system.

      What we won't need much anymore are programmers that perform boring repetitive work.

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        Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

        I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Humanities academic and public intellectual Yascha Mounk on his experience prompting Claude to write a political theory paper fit for publication in top journals. Spoiler, it took two hours and Yascha thinks it's publishable.

          https://substack.com/home/post/p-188162035

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

            I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

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            @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

            Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

            I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

            Anthropic had this impressive breakthrough recently where they let 10 Claude agents simultaneously produce code for a C compiler - which is insanely impressive, but if you look at the details you'll see that the "prompt" contained, among other things, thousands of test cases (which is part of the spec).

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The impact of AI on jobs:

              To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

              SAys the manager who uses AI to write his employee reviews.

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              @jon-nyc said in The impact of AI on jobs:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The impact of AI on jobs:

              To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

              SAys the manager who uses AI to write his employee reviews.

              Strictly speaking, I use it to re-write them in the language of corporate wank, rather than the plain English I typically employ.

              What it was:

              "John has had a good first year, and it is hoped that he will continue to develop his career."

              What it became:

              "John has had a highly successful first year, and stakeholders are optimistic that he will continue to leverage his strengths, expand his skill set, and accelerate his professional growth."

              If I keep talking like this, they'll be forced to promote me into an even more pointless position than the one I quietly retired from two years ago.

              I was only joking

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              • KlausK Klaus

                @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

                Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

                I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

                Anthropic had this impressive breakthrough recently where they let 10 Claude agents simultaneously produce code for a C compiler - which is insanely impressive, but if you look at the details you'll see that the "prompt" contained, among other things, thousands of test cases (which is part of the spec).

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                @Klaus said in The impact of AI on jobs:

                @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

                Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

                I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

                Anthropic had this impressive breakthrough recently where they let 10 Claude agents simultaneously produce code for a C compiler - which is insanely impressive, but if you look at the details you'll see that the "prompt" contained, among other things, thousands of test cases (which is part of the spec).

                Agentic AIs will build their own test cases, and so on and so on. I'm a bull on the power of this technology, given where it is, at such a young age.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

                      I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

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                      @Horace said in The impact of AI on jobs:

                      Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

                      I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

                      Agreed. It's not that far from it now. Testing will still be needed and reviewing results. No doubt a lot of that can be automated, but it will still exist.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        I'm still really on my daughter to learn how to incorporate it into project management. She has the opportunity to be ahead of the competition.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          @taiwan_girl said in The impact of AI on jobs:

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                          That's hilarious. That being said, I know some people who might have answered the same way. Some of them are in senior management, with the emphasis being strongly on 'senior'.

                          I was only joking

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                            Artificial Unintelligence.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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