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San Francisco gets tough on BART fare evasion with shocking results

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  • MikM Offline
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    How do you expect them to ply their criminal and vandal trades if they have to pay to ride?

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      You wonder if San Fran citizens prefer these gates but object to border walls. Probably the same people that have fences around their yard and locks on their doors to protect, you know, their land and property from unauthorized entry.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        SF had to be brought to this crime enforcement measure kicking and screaming. This was a condition of some state funding, which they are in desperate need of.

        Education is extremely important.

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          They installed heavy duty gates that are difficult to get through without paying. Revenue up 15% or so, crime on BART down 40%, maintenance costs all but vanish. I can hear the lamentations of the SF leftists from here about how the gates prey on the poor.

          https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/fare-gate

          https://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2026/news20260129

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          @Horace said in San Francisco gets tough on BART fare evasion with shocking results:

          I can hear the lamentations of the SF leftists from here about how the gates prey on the poor.

          The gates are quite democratic. They stop rich and poor alike from evading the fare.

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Quite. Egalitarian, even.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              Equity FTW!

              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                Yeah, the "outliers" on both sides get the most press, but also are the source of most of the political problems that we have today.

                I am not sure why people (leftist or otherwise) cannot see the obvious. People who do not pay to ride the subway are already committing a crime. Probably more likely that they will do an other crimes also.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Hours spent on patron related Corrective Maintenance (CM) within the paid area of stations reduced significantly after Next Generation Fare Gate (NGFG) installations. This data does not cover corrective maintenance on fare gates, but vandalism, graffiti, broken things, and unusual large clean ups. There was a 961-hour reduction in corrective maintenance hours related to this unwanted behavior in the 6 months post installation.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    Im going to be riding BART Monday. I’ll report back assuming I’m not killed.

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      @jon-nyc You have posted so I am guesing you were not killed. 😛 How was BART?

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        Ended up not taking it. We really had our hearts set on vandalizing the station but gave up when we realized we had to pay to enter. Also we rented a car.

                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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