Not found in the Bible.
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Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"
I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.
Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.
@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:
Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"
I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.
Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.
If I were to join a Christian church today I would likely be Catholic. While I don't love all the incense swinging, etc, I do think it is a more developed theology and well ordered for a healthy society.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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If they were actual Bible quotes they’d be in a slightly archaic English. That’s a clue right there.
@jon-nyc said in Not found in the Bible.:
If they were actual Bible quotes they’d be in a slightly archaic
English. Greek and Hebrew. That’s a clue right there.FIFY!
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@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:
Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"
I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.
Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.
If I were to join a Christian church today I would likely be Catholic. While I don't love all the incense swinging, etc, I do think it is a more developed theology and well ordered for a healthy society.
@Mik said in Not found in the Bible.:
@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:
Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"
I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.
Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.
If I were to join a Christian church today I would likely be Catholic. While I don't love all the incense swinging, etc, I do think it is a more developed theology and well ordered for a healthy society.
Yeah my wife is Catholic so it made the decision a bit easier, but admittedly I was also looking at the Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Anglican denominations, too. I also enjoy a simple christian service gathering in the basement of a school, as I used to attend a bit as a kid. Of course back then it was boring for me, but now I can appreciate the simplistic singing of hymns, prayers, and a sermon by one of the leaders in the church. Then there'd be coffee and a potluck afterwards. Very simple and pure worship and fellowship.
But back to Catholic, while I'm not an active participant in the veneration of Mary and some other aspects, I really love the structure, symbolism, tradition, and purpose to the Mass and liturgical approach to it all. The liturgical year, the history... you said it much more succinctly than me, but there ya go.
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@Horace said in Not found in the Bible.:
I bet each of those platitudes can be found in the Bible if you squint hard enough.
Indeed, and it all started with that Paul guy’s tortuous glosses about what he thought it was all about. Everything else seems to be filler.
I guess he missed Rabbi Hillel’s discourse on brevity that occurred a few decades earlier.
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Funny, a few I thought did:
- The lion should lay down with the lamb
- Pride comes before fall
- Ask Jesus into your heart
@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:
Funny, a few I thought did:
- The lion should lay down with the lamb
- Pride comes before fall
- Ask Jesus into your heart
It's "Pride goeth before a fall", and "The wolf shall live with the lamb", so they're essentially biblical, but misquoted.
I was told on numerous occasions that the church frowns upon lying down with lambs.
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To thine own self be true is Hamlet. by Shakespeare. Allegedly.
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Cleanliness is next to Godliness is from Wesley, and is referencing both physical and spiritual cleanliness. Leviticus is full of ritual physical cleansing that is necessary along with sacrifice for the cleansing of sin. Then there was spiritual cleansing, washed in the blood of the lamb and all that. Sin is a foulness that keeps us separate from God… It’s a biblical message.
God works in mysterious ways - Romans 11:33-34: "Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!".
God helps those that helps themselves - That’s actually Ben Franklin. And it’s actually counter to the bible. Jesus wasn’t out there helping themselves industrious, he was helping those that were helpless and had no power to help themselves.
Moderation n all things also runs counter to Biblical teachings…
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Is "I want to thank God for letting my team today and allowing to perform well" in the Bible?
Because someone says something like that after every sporting event and I always shake my head. "Oh god, why did you dislike the other team???"
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Is "I want to thank God for letting my team today and allowing to perform well" in the Bible?
Because someone says something like that after every sporting event and I always shake my head. "Oh god, why did you dislike the other team???"
@taiwan_girl said in Not found in the Bible.:
Because someone says something like that after every sporting event and I always shake my head. "Oh god, why did you dislike the other team???"
He takes Sundays off from hating gays to hate the Pittsburgh Steelers.
And who can blame Him?
This week He's going to make another change and hate the New England Patriots just like everybody who lives in the uncivilized part of America, or possibly that other team whose name I can't remember.
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In addition to being Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson has self appointed himself the new Antipope:
“Despite the unfounded claims of the Left, supporting a strong national border is a very Christian thing to do. The Bible tells us so,” he concluded.
Henceforth it is written he will be known as His antiHoliness, Mikey I.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-johnson-mansplains-religion-to-the-pope/?v
Edit: On second thought maybe Mike should henceforth be referred to as His antiHoliness, Johnson I.
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Not all Christians believe in the pope’s infallibility. Even those who do can have hand wavy rhetorical disagreements over word usage and emphasis. I doubt the pope would claim that borders are anti biblical. He might have some explaining to do about the Vatican.
Education is extremely important.
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That is the thing about religion, you can almost always find some saying somewhere in the Bible that you use to back your argument. Does not matter which side you are on.
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That is the thing about religion, you can almost always find some saying somewhere in the Bible that you use to back your argument. Does not matter which side you are on.
@taiwan_girl said in Not found in the Bible.:
That is the thing about religion, you can almost always find some saying somewhere in the Bible that you use to back your argument. Does not matter which side you are on.
Yes if you take the bible seriously it’s not easy to be a Christian, but that’s mostly to do with how strong and courageous and humble in your faith you are called to be. It’s easy to back political viewpoints any which way.
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Not all Christians believe in the pope’s infallibility. Even those who do can have hand wavy rhetorical disagreements over word usage and emphasis. I doubt the pope would claim that borders are anti biblical. He might have some explaining to do about the Vatican.
@Horace said in Not found in the Bible.:
Not all Christians believe in the pope’s infallibility.
Regardless, the pope’s comments were not being made ex cathedra. Your point is moot.
Even those who do can have hand wavy rhetorical disagreements over word usage and emphasis.
True enough although I highly doubt the discourse on such are hand wavy. You should know that.
I doubt the pope would claim that borders are anti biblical. He might have some explaining to do about the Vatican.
The pope didn’t so why suggest he might have, or better, why did Johnson I feel the need to “mansplain” biblical passages in light of the Gregory XIV’s remarks which were not made ex Cathedra but presumably as head of the Vatican State?
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@Horace said in Not found in the Bible.:
Not all Christians believe in the pope’s infallibility.
Regardless, the pope’s comments were not being made ex cathedra. Your point is moot.
Even those who do can have hand wavy rhetorical disagreements over word usage and emphasis.
True enough although I highly doubt the discourse on such are hand wavy. You should know that.
I doubt the pope would claim that borders are anti biblical. He might have some explaining to do about the Vatican.
The pope didn’t so why suggest he might have, or better, why did Johnson I feel the need to “mansplain” biblical passages in light of the Gregory XIV’s remarks which were not made ex Cathedra but presumably as head of the Vatican State?
@Renauda Johnson was speaking to the audience, not the pope. The pope’s arguments were sufficiently vague that they could be framed as a defense of essentially open borders, or a notion that once someone is in your country, regardless of how they came to be there, it is Christian to allow them to stay. It is fine to present alternative framings of the bible to address ill defined political battles over immigration.
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Yes, I am acquainted with the Southern Baptist heresy. No need therefore to explain that in their minds they, and only they, are the final and absolute authority on all matters Scriptural.
I even recollect an outspoken Baptist of the southern persuasion, once telling a theologically learned and erudite RC he has a reading comprehension problem.
Elbows up!
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Papal infallibility
Hey, it's what, 1700 years since the last significant meeting when some blokes met to decide which of their theocratic writings ought to be included in their book of religious texts.
Is it time for a New Improved Version? Get rid of all the politics, misogyny etc.
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Papal infallibility
Hey, it's what, 1700 years since the last significant meeting when some blokes met to decide which of their theocratic writings ought to be included in their book of religious texts.
Is it time for a New Improved Version? Get rid of all the politics, misogyny etc.
I believe Thomas Jefferson already purged the book - at least the New Testament version - of most, if not all, the superstitious magic and mythology.
Edit: here it is although I am not certain whether the archaic social and political lessons, assertions and aspersions were expunged:
