Not found in the Bible.

[89th]

Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"

I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.

Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.

[Horace]

I bet each of those platitudes can be found in the Bible if you squint hard enough.

[AndyD]

I suppose some are inferred by the biblical text.

[jon-nyc]

If they were actual Bible quotes they’d be in a slightly archaic English. That’s a clue right there.

[Mik]

@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:

Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"

I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.

Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.

If I were to join a Christian church today I would likely be Catholic. While I don't love all the incense swinging, etc, I do think it is a more developed theology and well ordered for a healthy society.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Not found in the Bible.:

If they were actual Bible quotes they’d be in a slightly archaic English. Greek and Hebrew. That’s a clue right there.

FIFY!

[89th]

@Mik said in Not found in the Bible.:

@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:

Somewhat related, I grew up Evangelical, my parents are very "pure biblical non-denominational" aka the 70s jesus movement. I eventually converted to Catholicism, and my daughter is having her first communion in a few weeks. Anyway, my mom just asked yesterday, "Has she asked Jesus Christ to be her personal savior and does He live in her heart?"

I told her that Catholics are a bit more wordy about it, but yes that is part of the beliefs, the doctrine and they recite the Apostles Creed (as is done every Mass, anyway). I'm sure @ivorythumper and Dewey would enjoy this topic now.

Anyway, as I ramble like I do, my point is... while I don't disagree with what I grew up with and what my parents believe, I do find in retrospect how simple and paraphrased it is considering how much more complex and beautiful and liturgical the whole concept really is. Of course this has been debated for centuries.

If I were to join a Christian church today I would likely be Catholic. While I don't love all the incense swinging, etc, I do think it is a more developed theology and well ordered for a healthy society.

Yeah my wife is Catholic so it made the decision a bit easier, but admittedly I was also looking at the Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Anglican denominations, too. I also enjoy a simple christian service gathering in the basement of a school, as I used to attend a bit as a kid. Of course back then it was boring for me, but now I can appreciate the simplistic singing of hymns, prayers, and a sermon by one of the leaders in the church. Then there'd be coffee and a potluck afterwards. Very simple and pure worship and fellowship.

But back to Catholic, while I'm not an active participant in the veneration of Mary and some other aspects, I really love the structure, symbolism, tradition, and purpose to the Mass and liturgical approach to it all. The liturgical year, the history... you said it much more succinctly than me, but there ya go.

[Renauda]

@Horace said in Not found in the Bible.:

I bet each of those platitudes can be found in the Bible if you squint hard enough.

Indeed, and it all started with that Paul guy’s tortuous glosses about what he thought it was all about. Everything else seems to be filler.

I guess he missed Rabbi Hillel’s discourse on brevity that occurred a few decades earlier.

[Doctor Phibes]

@89th said in Not found in the Bible.:

Funny, a few I thought did:

• The lion should lay down with the lamb
• Pride comes before fall
• Ask Jesus into your heart

It's "Pride goeth before a fall", and "The wolf shall live with the lamb", so they're essentially biblical, but misquoted.

I was told on numerous occasions that the church frowns upon lying down with lambs.

[bachophile]

To thine own self be true is Hamlet. by Shakespeare. Allegedly.