ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
Responsibility may have been shared. The consequences have not.
I was only joking
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@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
Responsibility may have been shared. The consequences have not.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
Responsibility may have been shared. The consequences have not.
Recommend not leaving the house with the express intent to interfere with police operations one finds personally objectionable. While skirting the boundaries of legality and broad jumping over the boundaries of common sense.
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Texas has like 10x the ICE deportations as MN, and zero events like this. Of course that is entirely because Texas doesn't have this cosplay self righteous antifa culture that all the cool kids in Minneapolis are doing. Anybody can cry their tears over their consequences as they please.
Education is extremely important.
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Texas has like 10x the ICE deportations as MN, and zero events like this. Of course that is entirely because Texas doesn't have this cosplay self righteous antifa culture that all the cool kids in Minneapolis are doing. Anybody can cry their tears over their consequences as they please.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Texas has like 10x the ICE deportations as MN, and zero events like this. Of course that is entirely because Texas doesn't have this cosplay self righteous antifa culture that all the cool kids in Minneapolis are doing. Anybody can cry their tears over their consequences as they please.
It strikes me that the protesters aren't the only ones indulging in self-righteous cosplay. YMMV, of course, as always.
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Inappropriate term. Bothsidesism refers to both sides doing approximately the same thing. That does not apply in any way here. Horace makes an excellent point about ICE officers having far less time to consider what actions to take.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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Inappropriate term. Bothsidesism refers to both sides doing approximately the same thing. That does not apply in any way here. Horace makes an excellent point about ICE officers having far less time to consider what actions to take.
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Horace makes an excellent point about ICE officers having far less time to consider what actions to take.
A point that conveniently ignores the very reasonable expectation that the ICE officers should have had ample time for training and ample time to internalize the rules of engagement that should have functioned as guardrails for all the split-second decisions they are expected to make on the job.
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Inappropriate term. Bothsidesism refers to both sides doing approximately the same thing. That does not apply in any way here. Horace makes an excellent point about ICE officers having far less time to consider what actions to take.
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Horace makes an excellent point about ICE officers having far less time to consider what actions to take.
I think it's worth considering at what point in the proceedings ICE officers decided to empty 10 rounds of ammunition into somebody lying face down on the ground. Because, it seemed like a bit of an over-reaction from this admittedly layman's perspective.
Sure, they were a bit rushed, but still.....
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There are studies and data on police shootings. And when they interview the officers involved and ask them how many shots they and/or others fired, almost 100% underestimate by almost a factor of 10. ( I would think that the same would be true of soldiers also.)
That does not make an excuse for what happened in MN, but I guess if you talked to the ICE people before they saw/heard the videos, etc., they would probably say that there were maybe two shots fired.
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Texas has like 10x the ICE deportations as MN, and zero events like this. Of course that is entirely because Texas doesn't have this cosplay self righteous antifa culture that all the cool kids in Minneapolis are doing. Anybody can cry their tears over their consequences as they please.
Of course that is entirely because Texas doesn't have this cosplay self righteous antifa culture that all the cool kids in Minneapolis are doing.
Not from my experience with Texans either, although I can hardly describe Texans as anywhere near passive. Quite the opposite. The sort that would form a paramilitary militia and take ICE head on. Failing that they would cosplay Texas Rangers posse, charter a bus convoy to Washington and storm the Capital Building along the lines of January 6 all the time yelling “Remember the Alamo”!
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@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
That’s been my take…
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@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
Responsibility may have been shared. The consequences have not.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Neither death was anything but a joint effort from all parties.
Responsibility may have been shared. The consequences have not
The consequences for the shooter and the victim are not, but that wasn’t who Mik was referring to.
