U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants
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As pastors, we the bishops of the United States are bound to our people by ties of communion and compassion in Our Lord Jesus Christ. We are disturbed when we see among our people a climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants. We are concerned about the conditions in detention centers and the lack of access to pastoral care. We lament that some immigrants in the United States have arbitrarily lost their legal status. We are troubled by threats against the sanctity of houses of worship and the special nature of hospitals and schools. We are grieved when we meet parents who fear being detained when taking their children to school and when we try to console family members who have already been separated from their loved ones.
That's just the first paragraph.
Any Catholic care to comment on the statement by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops?
Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
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Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
@Rich said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
In all political rhetoric, one digs for sources of truth until the source confirms one's belief. Any source of truth will do. A bishop is a source of truth, at least within this context. In other contexts, the same bishop can be a laughable religious figure.
This is why rhetoric is so awesome. It's like people say it just to feel good about saying it, even knowing that the people they are communicating to, understand it for the nothing that it is.
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Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
@Rich said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
You think that's fucking weird? Take a look at this!
I was only joking
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@Horace said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
This is the sort of image that will die with Trump.
Only to rise three days later, as no doubt Trump is also planning to do.
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The problem is that, not all, but a vast majority of these immigrants are decent people looking for nothing more than to provide the a decent life for themselves and their families. Bad actors in their community and bad actors in the US Congress make it difficult. Our ancestors somehow managed to get in to America without much trouble and we all have a good life. While it's easy to blame Trump and the Republicans, it was the Democrats that let these people in illegally without requiring or even providing citizenship. The bishops are right we are doing a sucky job as a country. These are people just like us.
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The principle one can trace political ideas back to, and which divides actual people in actual reality, is simply that a government exists to protect and provide for its own people. We differ on that principle, and it shows, in our politics. Some of us believe that American politics exists to protect and provide for the world. And I'll admit that reasonable framings exist for both viewpoints. But I have some tendency for the America-centric viewpoint, in the same way I have a tendency for markets in general. You just have to view world governments as agents in a world market.
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I agree with you on the framings, but only one of those things is practically deliverable. There are a lot more limits to what we can do for the world than many on the left would have us believe. That’s not to say we shouldn’t be involved, but we, even we as the whole of Western civilization, cannot shoulder the entire task.
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@Rich said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
You think that's fucking weird? Take a look at this!
@Doctor-Phibes said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
@Rich said in U.S. Bishops' statement on the mass deportations of immigrants:
Axtremus using statements from religious leaders to influence discussion on U.S. Federal policy.
Interesting times, to say the least.
You think that's fucking weird? Take a look at this!
I think you and @jon-nyc are misunderstanding that image. It’s not meant to convey that they are praying to him, but that they are praying for him. For God to guide him snd protect him. Now, you can laugh about the effectiveness of the prayer if you want, and you can also point to their fawning over Trump in other ways, but that particular image at that particular moment is not what you think it is.
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And one shouldn’t be surprised by the Catholic Bishop’s position. The Catholic Church in the US has even been helping promote illegal immigration. Some of their efforts are well intentioned, but quite a lot of it is also due to the Church’s need to import followers…
