Shutdown Length

[Mik]

Quite possible. this will take a few days to unwind.

[Mik]

The senators who voted for the deal are a surprise. They took a deal that was offered a month ago and put the US through this wholly unnecessary trauma for no good end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-very-bad-night-democrats-face-blowback-from-their-own-party-over-shutdown-deal/ar-AA1QaFLq

[jon-nyc]

Well they did get a promise for a vote on healthcare which wasn’t offered last time.

[Mik]

It was offered a month ago.

[jon-nyc]

Isn’t that always the case though? Quite literally all of the shutdown battles have been won by the side seeking the clean CR. Until this year that was always the Dems. This year it was the GOP. Maybe they’ll internalize it now.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Shutdown Length:

Isn’t that always the case though? Quite literally all of the shutdown battles have been won by the side seeking the clean CR. Until this year that was always the Dems. This year it was the GOP. Maybe they’ll internalize it now.

(Snort)

[Axtremus]

Link to video

[Mik]

When you've lost MSNBC... this guy writes for Vox and MSNBC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-achieved-the-worst-of-all-worlds-with-their-shutdown-strategy/ar-AA1QaWJP

[LuFins Dad]

@Mik said in Shutdown Length:

When you've lost MSNBC... this guy writes for Vox and MSNBC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-achieved-the-worst-of-all-worlds-with-their-shutdown-strategy/ar-AA1QaWJP

He, and Jon Stewart, are forgetting something. Fighting the “good fight” and opposing Trump at all costs is great politics in California and Massachusetts. States where Dem control is solid. But in purple states like PA, NH, NV, and Maine? You need crossover support. You need independents and even some Republican support. So you need to show some ability to compromise and actually legislate. Kaine in particular needed to get Northern Virginians back to work. Remember that specific polling of public sector labor unions (FFS, how do they even exist?) showed the majority supported this deal over three weeks ago. It even caused a split with the Dem aligned labor unions.

[Mik]

It was just foolishness.

[LuFins Dad]

Some Interesting points that’s not getting as much attention:

1. This is the FIRST shutdown caused by opposition wanting to increase spending, not lower it.

2. How can you conceivably call the AFFORDABLE Care Act a success when a decade later it requires enormous subsidies to make the policies relatively affordable? By definitIon, the act has failed.

3. Democrats pissed the hell out of the actual working bureaucracy. Normally that’s the Republicans domain of pissing them off. I’m curious to see if there’s any repercussions.