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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #91

    It also seems likely, if not quite obvious, that Trump is such an outsized figure in all political happenings, that he’ll mostly get blamed for it. regardless of what a more nuanced take might be.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote last edited by Mik
      #92

      One side wants to open the government. the other side is holding their breath until they get what they want, contrary to what they voted for in establishing an expiration for the additional subsidies.

      Coincidentally there was a piece on COVID fraud being prosecuted on Full Measure this morning. One Minnesota group scammed 250 million. We really need to quit paying for pandemic related stuff.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #93

        End in sight?

        “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

        • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote last edited by
          #94

          Let us hope.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote last edited by
            #95

            Details

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-senate-advances-bill-to-end-federal-shutdown/ar-AA1Q8zJV

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote last edited by
              #96

              Watch my flight get cancelled tomorrow anyway. lol

              “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

              • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #97

                Quite possible. this will take a few days to unwind.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote last edited by
                  #98

                  The senators who voted for the deal are a surprise. They took a deal that was offered a month ago and put the US through this wholly unnecessary trauma for no good end.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-very-bad-night-democrats-face-blowback-from-their-own-party-over-shutdown-deal/ar-AA1QaFLq

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #99

                    Well they did get a promise for a vote on healthcare which wasn’t offered last time.

                    “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                    • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote last edited by
                      #100

                      It was offered a month ago.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote last edited by
                        #101

                        Isn’t that always the case though? Quite literally all of the shutdown battles have been won by the side seeking the clean CR. Until this year that was always the Dems. This year it was the GOP. Maybe they’ll internalize it now.

                        “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                        • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Isn’t that always the case though? Quite literally all of the shutdown battles have been won by the side seeking the clean CR. Until this year that was always the Dems. This year it was the GOP. Maybe they’ll internalize it now.

                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #102

                          @jon-nyc said in Shutdown Length:

                          Isn’t that always the case though? Quite literally all of the shutdown battles have been won by the side seeking the clean CR. Until this year that was always the Dems. This year it was the GOP. Maybe they’ll internalize it now.

                          (Snort)

                          The Brad

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                            Axtremus
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                            #103

                            Link to video

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote last edited by
                              #104

                              When you've lost MSNBC... this guy writes for Vox and MSNBC.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-achieved-the-worst-of-all-worlds-with-their-shutdown-strategy/ar-AA1QaWJP

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              • MikM Mik

                                When you've lost MSNBC... this guy writes for Vox and MSNBC.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-achieved-the-worst-of-all-worlds-with-their-shutdown-strategy/ar-AA1QaWJP

                                LuFins DadL Offline
                                LuFins DadL Offline
                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote last edited by
                                #105

                                @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                                When you've lost MSNBC... this guy writes for Vox and MSNBC.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-achieved-the-worst-of-all-worlds-with-their-shutdown-strategy/ar-AA1QaWJP

                                He, and Jon Stewart, are forgetting something. Fighting the “good fight” and opposing Trump at all costs is great politics in California and Massachusetts. States where Dem control is solid. But in purple states like PA, NH, NV, and Maine? You need crossover support. You need independents and even some Republican support. So you need to show some ability to compromise and actually legislate. Kaine in particular needed to get Northern Virginians back to work. Remember that specific polling of public sector labor unions (FFS, how do they even exist?) showed the majority supported this deal over three weeks ago. It even caused a split with the Dem aligned labor unions.

                                The Brad

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #106

                                  It was just foolishness.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #107

                                    Some Interesting points that’s not getting as much attention:

                                    1. This is the FIRST shutdown caused by opposition wanting to increase spending, not lower it.

                                    2. How can you conceivably call the AFFORDABLE Care Act a success when a decade later it requires enormous subsidies to make the policies relatively affordable? By definitIon, the act has failed.

                                    3. Democrats pissed the hell out of the actual working bureaucracy. Normally that’s the Republicans domain of pissing them off. I’m curious to see if there’s any repercussions.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • N Offline
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                                      NobodySock
                                      wrote last edited by NobodySock
                                      #108

                                      Living life as the grasshopper and not the ant, I had next to zero savings when this hit. I have been diligently paying down much debt these last few months to become debt free by the end of the year. I have negative checking account balance as we speak so am looking forward to the retro pay so that I can afford to leave my house one day soon. I stay positive with the knowledge that my financial situation will improve in retirement which is a bit odd but there it is. I have calculated my passive income come the new year and if the rental deal of my home to my godson goes as planned, I will gross the same amount as my working days. What makes future financial situation better is that my check won't have these items deducted any longer from my gross pay: Social Security, Medicare, Thrift savings plan (401k) contributions. The bummer on Medicare at 65 is that I won't be signing up for part B as they don't cover Americans living overseas. So I will have to make due with my federal employee health insurance which the government continues to contribute 75% of my premiums to for the rest of my life.

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #109

                                        Pensions are nice.

                                        But government workers are the most oppressed community in America, outside of trans people.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          NobodySock
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                                          #110

                                          Those poor trans fed workers are our martyrs. They live and die on a cross.-

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