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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
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    #4

    Extra credit if you predict how the impasse will be broken.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
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      #5

      At this point I’m good as long as no one gets shot.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        89th
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        #6

        I'd like a solid 10 day shut down. We are going to DC during the week of Columbus Day and would prefer the Smithsonian museums and zoo to be open, and the Washington monument. Clearly this is all about me.

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        • AxtremusA Away
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          Axtremus
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          Poll results on who gets blamed for the shutdown:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2025/government-shutdown-trump-congress-poll/

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            The idea of an over/under is you’re indifferent to which you’d take.

            I’ll take 20 days. The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
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            #8

            said in Shutdown Length:

            The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

            IMG_8141.jpeg

            https://www.kff.org/quick-take/more-than-3-in-4-aca-marketplace-enrollees-live-in-states-won-by-president-trump-in-2024/

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              The idea of an over/under is you’re indifferent to which you’d take.

              I’ll take 20 days. The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote last edited by
              #9

              said in Shutdown Length:

              The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

              Trump blinks?

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
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                #10

                I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • AxtremusA Away
                  AxtremusA Away
                  Axtremus
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                  #11

                  Single payer universal healthcare FTW!!!

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    said in Shutdown Length:

                    The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

                    IMG_8141.jpeg

                    https://www.kff.org/quick-take/more-than-3-in-4-aca-marketplace-enrollees-live-in-states-won-by-president-trump-in-2024/

                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #12

                    @jon-nyc said in Shutdown Length:

                    said in Shutdown Length:

                    The impass gets broken with some compromise on extending ACA premium subsidies (but not Medicare).

                    IMG_8141.jpeg

                    https://www.kff.org/quick-take/more-than-3-in-4-aca-marketplace-enrollees-live-in-states-won-by-president-trump-in-2024/

                    That doesn’t really mean much of anything on its own. You know that, right?

                    The Brad

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      Single payer universal healthcare FTW!!!

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #13

                      @Axtremus said in Shutdown Length:

                      Single payer universal healthcare FTW!!!

                      Great! Just so long as you’re the payer. And I get every service that I want.

                      The Brad

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #14

                        It’s interesting that she understands the Dems ask here, agrees with it, but still has to throw in the bit about illegals to stay consistent with the talking points. Or maybe to indemnify her coming vote with the Dems. .

                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

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                          @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                          I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

                          I believe that way back when, President Trump was quite in favor of universal health care.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                            I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

                            I believe that way back when, President Trump was quite in favor of universal health care.

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
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                            #16

                            @taiwan_girl said in Shutdown Length:

                            @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                            I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

                            I believe that way back when, President Trump was quite in favor of universal health care.

                            Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @taiwan_girl said in Shutdown Length:

                              @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                              I don’t think so. I think he’d like to be the president who establishes universal healthcare. Very transformational.

                              I believe that way back when, President Trump was quite in favor of universal health care.

                              Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                              AxtremusA Away
                              AxtremusA Away
                              Axtremus
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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Shutdown Length:

                              Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                              On healthcare, he is not. Bill Clinton launched childhood immunization initiatives during his presidency.
                              On global trade, he is also not. Bill Clinton embraced globalization.
                              On foreign policy, he is also not. Bill Clinton promoted NATO expansion, the UN, and multilateralism.

                              Heck, how did you convince yourself that Trump is a Clinton Democrat?

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                                His taste in young interns?

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                                  #19

                                  LOL

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Shutdown Length:

                                    Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                                    On healthcare, he is not. Bill Clinton launched childhood immunization initiatives during his presidency.
                                    On global trade, he is also not. Bill Clinton embraced globalization.
                                    On foreign policy, he is also not. Bill Clinton promoted NATO expansion, the UN, and multilateralism.

                                    Heck, how did you convince yourself that Trump is a Clinton Democrat?

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    #20

                                    @Axtremus said in Shutdown Length:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Shutdown Length:

                                    Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                                    On healthcare, he is not. Bill Clinton launched childhood immunization initiatives during his presidency.

                                    Trump launched what would become the largest immunization campaign in history during his first term.

                                    On global trade, he is also not. Bill Clinton embraced globalization.

                                    Don’t be fooled for a minute. Trump is very much a globalist, he just believes that the US as the largest market is not getting the preferential treatment in trade agreements that he believes they should.

                                    On foreign policy, he is also not. Bill Clinton promoted NATO expansion, the UN, and multilateralism.

                                    In case you didn’t notice, NATO has expanded since 2016, adding four new nations. In addition and more importantly, NATO nations have expanded their spending and grown their military capabilities substantially.

                                    As far as multilateralism, Trump has very much embraced it, from the Abraham Accords, to his efforts to get ME nations to proactively and publicly try to help with the Palestinian/Israel conflict, to his insistence that Europe has to be much more involved in the Ukrainian/Russian war.

                                    Heck, how did you convince yourself that Trump is a Clinton Democrat?

                                    By actually paying attention.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @Axtremus said in Shutdown Length:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Shutdown Length:

                                      Again. Trump is a Clinton Democrat. I’ve said it several dozen times.

                                      On healthcare, he is not. Bill Clinton launched childhood immunization initiatives during his presidency.

                                      Trump launched what would become the largest immunization campaign in history during his first term.

                                      On global trade, he is also not. Bill Clinton embraced globalization.

                                      Don’t be fooled for a minute. Trump is very much a globalist, he just believes that the US as the largest market is not getting the preferential treatment in trade agreements that he believes they should.

                                      On foreign policy, he is also not. Bill Clinton promoted NATO expansion, the UN, and multilateralism.

                                      In case you didn’t notice, NATO has expanded since 2016, adding four new nations. In addition and more importantly, NATO nations have expanded their spending and grown their military capabilities substantially.

                                      As far as multilateralism, Trump has very much embraced it, from the Abraham Accords, to his efforts to get ME nations to proactively and publicly try to help with the Palestinian/Israel conflict, to his insistence that Europe has to be much more involved in the Ukrainian/Russian war.

                                      Heck, how did you convince yourself that Trump is a Clinton Democrat?

                                      By actually paying attention.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      #21

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Shutdown Length:

                                      By actually paying attention.

                                      IMHO Trump isn't an anything philosophically. He mostly just has a lot of individual ideas, some of which change from week to week, or even I suspect hour to hour.

                                      He could suddenly announce he's going to cancel the Green Card program, or he's going to legalize heroin, or he's going to build a massive fuck-off monument in Albuquerque NM paying homage to Randolph Scott, and a bunch of people would nod and say this was exactly what America needs right now.

                                      IOW, he's all over the place. Whether this is by design or due to an increasing lack of cognitive ability is of course open to the reader.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
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                                        #22

                                        If all he does is move journalism back to presenting facts rather than opinions and propaganda he will have been a very consequential president.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          If all he does is move journalism back to presenting facts rather than opinions and propaganda he will have been a very consequential president.

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                                          @Mik said in Shutdown Length:

                                          If all he does is move journalism back to presenting facts rather than opinions and propaganda he will have been a very consequential president.

                                          And to think they said satire was dead.

                                          I was only joking

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