Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”
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I think we need to keep in mind that back in April RFK promised, literally, that by September 2025 “we would know what caused the autism epidemic” and would be able “to eliminate those causes”.
My guess is he actually believed the “real data” implicating vaccines would be there for his cranks to easily discover, sitting in some locked room that one needed a BigPharma badge to enter.
Perhaps he needed something to tell the boss so he decided to do this. Of course babies will suffer as Trump will have scared many MAGA/MAHA moms off Tylenol so their fevers will in many cases go untreated.
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Makari (FDA head) is quoted as saying that a collection of studies, including from the Boston Birth Cohort, the Nurses Health Study and Mount Sinai-Harvard have established that there is a "causal relationship between prenatal acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders of ADHD and autism spectrum disorder." Does the evidence support this?
Short answer: No. The FDA itself is not saying the link is causal. In fact, in the FDA’s own physician notice released alongside the White House messaging, the agency states plainly: “a causal relationship has not been established” (their emphasis). 
Here’s the quick evidence check:
• What FDA actually did/says: FDA began a process to consider label changes noting a possible association between prenatal acetaminophen use and later neurodevelopmental diagnoses, and it sent doctors a notice. But the agency’s language is careful: association ≠ causation, and it explicitly says causality hasn’t been shown. 
• Makary’s claim of a “causal relationship”: That overstates the literature. Studies he cites (e.g., the Boston Birth Cohort/JAMA Psychiatry cord-biomarker analysis) report associations—including dose-response patterns—but they are observational and susceptible to confounding (indication for use, familial and genetic factors, measurement error). They do not prove causation. 
• Highest-quality counter-evidence: Large, family-based designs that control for shared genetics and environment (e.g., a 2024 nationwide Swedish cohort in JAMA) do not find evidence of a causal link once those factors are accounted for. Professional groups have leaned on this kind of evidence in their responses. 
• Professional guidance right now:
• The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) called the new government messaging not backed by the full body of evidence and reiterated that no reputable study has proven acetaminophen in pregnancy causes ASD/ADHD. 
• The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) likewise continues to advise that acetaminophen is appropriate when clinically indicated during pregnancy. 
• Media framing vs. documents: Some coverage and quotes may imply the “head of FDA” endorsed causality, but the agency’s own notice contradicts that. If you’re seeing headlines or TV segments asserting “causal,” they’re out over their skis relative to the FDA’s written position. 
• Mount Sinai/Harvard items: Recent institutional communications and reviews from that collaboration say “may be linked” and call for cautious, time-limited use and more research—not that causality has been proven. Bottom line: Evidence is mixed and mostly observational; causation hasn’t been demonstrated. FDA’s official documents say so, and leading OB societies agree. If you want, I can walk through the specific studies Makary named (Boston Birth Cohort, Nurses’ Health Study, Mount Sinai/Harvard) and show exactly what each did—and didn’t—conclude. 
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Don't worry, luckily we still have Thalidomide if pregnant ladies don't feel good.
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Ugh that's depressing, Klaus.
Regarding the autism thing, we discussed this a while back... much of this "epidemic" might just be increased awareness, testing/diagnosis, and widening of qualifies as part of the autism spectrum.
Somewhat (barely) related, in the early 90s my mom had a miscarriage (viable until born, then basically a stillbirth) and a few neighbors all had similar stillbirths at the time. It was almost weird, the cemetery where my brother was buried has like 4 plots in a row of neighbor (kids) who also had a similar fate. My mom once mentioned the rumor was they did some chemical/bug spraying the previous year which some of the moms think was the cause. Of course... never will know.
EDIT: The helicopter did have a Tylenol logo on it... hmmm
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They should swap out the 'Man, woman, camera, TV' test and ask them to pronounce acetaminophen.
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The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Education is extremely important.
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Yes, Horace and it is sad. I asked my brother not to comment when he tried to drag Trump into my FB discussion on how quickly the right turned to cancel culture after the Kirk murder, and how that was the exact opposite of what Kirk stood for. Whenever Trump is brought in all sides retreat to their corners and thoughtful discussion ceases. All that is left is rock throwing.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.
@jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.
I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.
Education is extremely important.
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Yes, Horace and it is sad. I asked my brother not to comment when he tried to drag Trump into my FB discussion on how quickly the right turned to cancel culture after the Kirk murder, and how that was the exact opposite of what Kirk stood for. Whenever Trump is brought in all sides retreat to their corners and thoughtful discussion ceases. All that is left is rock throwing.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.
I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.
@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
@jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.
I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.
Break's over. Time to get back to saving the world.
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@Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:
The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.
Soon it'll be back to Vance vs Newsom and those unable to take Trump jokes will return. I mean, how can you not laugh when the President gets up and says definitely on a national address that "There are certain groups that don't take vaccines or any pills that have no autism. NO autism!" then he looks around and asks his folks "was that a correct statement?"
It's comedy GOLD jerry... GOLD! -
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I listened to a BBC podcast this morning on the disgraced former British doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified the link between MMR and autism.
And Trump is still repeating this bullshit.
So maybe joking about this level of dangerous and destructive information isn't appropriate. But what is an appropriate response to the fact that the President of the United States is repeating completely discredited bullshit? Well OK, he's attempting to repeat it. He can't even pronounce the name of the fucking drug he's trying to discredit.
And if we laugh, we're accused of being the ones throwing rocks. Seriously?
If you don't want people to throw rocks, then maybe don't elect a troll.
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Not sure what the appropriate response is. For me, it's a combination of trying not to pay attention to stuff I can't change while also not allowing myself to become numb to these types of antics and lies. I do look forward hopefully to a slow healing process and shift back to some form of humility, respect, and honesty come 2028 and beyond... hopefully someone who can help stop the car running off the national debt cliff in a decade or so.
