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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    #19

    LOL it's all so embarrassing. In other words...while Trump is literally saying "Tylenol is NO GOOD", this release says acetaminophen might pose a risk but other studies show it doesn't, but also studies show that having a fever while pregnant can be risky to the child and only acetaminophen is allowed to be taken for a fever... so basically don't get a fever when you're pregnant otherwise you might have to take dangerous medicine." That is Claritin Clear to me!

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      🤦 … calling it a “clown car” at this point may be insulting to the clowns.

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        Who is advising POTUS this crapola? I realise he's surrounded himself with "yes" people.
        You'd expect some respected medical journals to have published something, so is there any evidence in NEJM, JAMA, JCI, AIntMed etc?
        (Tylenol is called paracetamol in the UK )

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #22

          There are studies that have shown links but recent, very large studies (eg n=2.5M in Sweden) have shown that when you adjust for family effects (using sibling controls) the effect disappears.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #23

            I think we need to keep in mind that back in April RFK promised, literally, that by September 2025 “we would know what caused the autism epidemic” and would be able “to eliminate those causes”.

            My guess is he actually believed the “real data” implicating vaccines would be there for his cranks to easily discover, sitting in some locked room that one needed a BigPharma badge to enter.

            Perhaps he needed something to tell the boss so he decided to do this. Of course babies will suffer as Trump will have scared many MAGA/MAHA moms off Tylenol so their fevers will in many cases go untreated.

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              #24

              Makari (FDA head) is quoted as saying that a collection of studies, including from the Boston Birth Cohort, the Nurses Health Study and Mount Sinai-Harvard have established that there is a "causal relationship between prenatal acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders of ADHD and autism spectrum disorder." Does the evidence support this?

              Short answer: No. The FDA itself is not saying the link is causal. In fact, in the FDA’s own physician notice released alongside the White House messaging, the agency states plainly: “a causal relationship has not been established” (their emphasis). 

              Here’s the quick evidence check:
              • What FDA actually did/says: FDA began a process to consider label changes noting a possible association between prenatal acetaminophen use and later neurodevelopmental diagnoses, and it sent doctors a notice. But the agency’s language is careful: association ≠ causation, and it explicitly says causality hasn’t been shown. 
              • Makary’s claim of a “causal relationship”: That overstates the literature. Studies he cites (e.g., the Boston Birth Cohort/JAMA Psychiatry cord-biomarker analysis) report associations—including dose-response patterns—but they are observational and susceptible to confounding (indication for use, familial and genetic factors, measurement error). They do not prove causation. 
              • Highest-quality counter-evidence: Large, family-based designs that control for shared genetics and environment (e.g., a 2024 nationwide Swedish cohort in JAMA) do not find evidence of a causal link once those factors are accounted for. Professional groups have leaned on this kind of evidence in their responses. 
              • Professional guidance right now:
              • The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) called the new government messaging not backed by the full body of evidence and reiterated that no reputable study has proven acetaminophen in pregnancy causes ASD/ADHD. 
              • The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) likewise continues to advise that acetaminophen is appropriate when clinically indicated during pregnancy. 
              • Media framing vs. documents: Some coverage and quotes may imply the “head of FDA” endorsed causality, but the agency’s own notice contradicts that. If you’re seeing headlines or TV segments asserting “causal,” they’re out over their skis relative to the FDA’s written position. 
              • Mount Sinai/Harvard items: Recent institutional communications and reviews from that collaboration say “may be linked” and call for cautious, time-limited use and more research—not that causality has been proven. 

              Bottom line: Evidence is mixed and mostly observational; causation hasn’t been demonstrated. FDA’s official documents say so, and leading OB societies agree. If you want, I can walk through the specific studies Makary named (Boston Birth Cohort, Nurses’ Health Study, Mount Sinai/Harvard) and show exactly what each did—and didn’t—conclude. 

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • KlausK Offline
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                Don't worry, luckily we still have Thalidomide if pregnant ladies don't feel good.

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  #26

                  Ugh that's depressing, Klaus.

                  Regarding the autism thing, we discussed this a while back... much of this "epidemic" might just be increased awareness, testing/diagnosis, and widening of qualifies as part of the autism spectrum.

                  Somewhat (barely) related, in the early 90s my mom had a miscarriage (viable until born, then basically a stillbirth) and a few neighbors all had similar stillbirths at the time. It was almost weird, the cemetery where my brother was buried has like 4 plots in a row of neighbor (kids) who also had a similar fate. My mom once mentioned the rumor was they did some chemical/bug spraying the previous year which some of the moms think was the cause. Of course... never will know.

                  EDIT: The helicopter did have a Tylenol logo on it... hmmm

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                    #27

                    Link to video

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      #28

                      They should swap out the 'Man, woman, camera, TV' test and ask them to pronounce acetaminophen.

                      I was only joking

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                        Hahahaha doc from the top rope! 😄

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #31

                            Yes, Horace and it is sad. I asked my brother not to comment when he tried to drag Trump into my FB discussion on how quickly the right turned to cancel culture after the Kirk murder, and how that was the exact opposite of what Kirk stood for. Whenever Trump is brought in all sides retreat to their corners and thoughtful discussion ceases. All that is left is rock throwing.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

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                              #32

                              @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                              The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                              Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.

                              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                  The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                  Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.

                                  HoraceH Offline
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                  @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                  The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                  Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.

                                  I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Yes, Horace and it is sad. I asked my brother not to comment when he tried to drag Trump into my FB discussion on how quickly the right turned to cancel culture after the Kirk murder, and how that was the exact opposite of what Kirk stood for. Whenever Trump is brought in all sides retreat to their corners and thoughtful discussion ceases. All that is left is rock throwing.

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                                    @Mik said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                    into my FB discussion

                                    That was your first mistake 🙂

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                      @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                      The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                      Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.

                                      I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.

                                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                      @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                      The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                      Napalm in the morning is like that. Smells heavenly, but it is quiet.

                                      I guess this'll be worth a LOL from 89th or Phibes. Let's see.

                                      Break's over. Time to get back to saving the world.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                        89th8 Offline
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                                        @Horace said in Trump announces “the biggest medical breakthrough in US history”:

                                        The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

                                        Soon it'll be back to Vance vs Newsom and those unable to take Trump jokes will return. I mean, how can you not laugh when the President gets up and says definitely on a national address that "There are certain groups that don't take vaccines or any pills that have no autism. NO autism!" then he looks around and asks his folks "was that a correct statement?" 😄 It's comedy GOLD jerry... GOLD!

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          The final evolution of TNCR. Three or four people LOLing at each other's Trump jokes.

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          I was only joking

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