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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    #180

    She would have imagine because there’s no evidence that there was any.

    I’m old enough to remember 2018 and it was definitely an environment where a major tv broadcaster would fire someone comparing a prominent black woman to an ape. Even without any government intervention.

    Also, can anyone really imagine the Trump administration pressuring ABC to fire her? Over a tweet about Valerie Jarret?

    ABC canceled her show the same day as her tweet. My guess is the only calls they received in the interim were from Proctor & Gamble and Anheiser Busch.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      #181

      It was ABC that ousted Howard Cosell not long after the ‘little monkey’ remark. I doubt the Reagan administration intervened there either.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        She would have imagine because there’s no evidence that there was any.

        I’m old enough to remember 2018 and it was definitely an environment where a major tv broadcaster would fire someone comparing a prominent black woman to an ape. Even without any government intervention.

        Also, can anyone really imagine the Trump administration pressuring ABC to fire her? Over a tweet about Valerie Jarret?

        ABC canceled her show the same day as her tweet. My guess is the only calls they received in the interim were from Proctor & Gamble and Anheiser Busch.

        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

        She would have imagine because there’s no evidence that there was any.

        I’m old enough to remember 2018 and it was definitely an environment where a major tv broadcaster would fire someone comparing a prominent black woman to an ape. Even without any government intervention.

        Hang on a minute, my Google seems to be acting up. Who exactly was President in 2018?

        I was only joking

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          I since edited the post. @Doctor-Phibes

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            What I find funny is the administration at the time would have been Trump…

            But there has been plenty enough examples over the years from the left that I find the pearl clutching disingenuous and a little amusing.

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              What I find funny is the administration at the time would have been Trump…

              But there has been plenty enough examples over the years from the left that I find the pearl clutching disingenuous and a little amusing.

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              #185

              @LuFins-Dad said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

              What I find funny is the administration at the time would have been Trump…

              But there has been plenty enough examples over the years from the left that I find the pearl clutching disingenuous and a little amusing.

              It would be ruled unconstitutional after it got to SCOTUS anyway. Which I expect it would, in very short order.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                What I find funny is the administration at the time would have been Trump…

                But there has been plenty enough examples over the years from the left that I find the pearl clutching disingenuous and a little amusing.

                jon-nycJ Offline
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                #186

                @LuFins-Dad said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                What I find funny is the administration at the time would have been Trump…

                But there has been plenty enough examples over the years from the left that I find the pearl clutching disingenuous and a little amusing.

                Seems like the President and FCC chair threatening to pull their broadcast license is new, and relevant. Especially from a president who has made it clear he doesn’t believe in free speech at all.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  #187

                  This aged like Kristi Noem’s dog.

                  IMG_7801.jpeg

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    #188

                    You know, I don't really care in that it doesn't affect anything in my life, but at a broad level holy shit this should be so alarming to everyone in the country. Not the first time I've thought that phrase, especially since January 2025.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      You know, I don't really care in that it doesn't affect anything in my life, but at a broad level holy shit this should be so alarming to everyone in the country. Not the first time I've thought that phrase, especially since January 2025.

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                      @89th said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                      You know, I don't really care in that it doesn't affect anything in my life, but at a broad level holy shit this should be so alarming to everyone in the country. Not the first time I've thought that phrase, especially since January 2025.

                      I think I can safely say that I would be content with the own-goal by the administration I hated, and with the 100% expectation of SCOTUS overturning their attempt (if it got to that). But yes I would note that "this is why I hate them".

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          You know, I don't really care in that it doesn't affect anything in my life, but at a broad level holy shit this should be so alarming to everyone in the country. Not the first time I've thought that phrase, especially since January 2025.

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                          @89th said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                          You know, I don't really care in that it doesn't affect anything in my life, but at a broad level holy shit this should be so alarming to everyone in the country. Not the first time I've thought that phrase, especially since January 2025.

                          Spare me your alarm. Where was it during Murthy Vs Missouri? Or when they tried to implement the Disinformation Governance Board? How about the multiple attempts to reinstate The Fairness Doctrine? Remember when Babylon Bee sued and won after CA adopted legislation that would have labeled satire as misinformation?

                          As mentioned above, Trump and Co. fucked up pretty big time. I’m happy to see them get their hands smacked hard on this. But the liberal pearl clutching is disingenuous and nauseating.

                          The Brad

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                            Good thing there are no liberals here the way you’re using the term.

                            By the way Trump & Co haven’t been slapped hard. They’ve been accommodated.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              I'm torn on the Fairness Doctrine. Certainly I can see how it conflicts with free speech, but holy shit how news/media got SO MUCH WORSE since it was removed and we saw a substantial increase in political hackery, for-profit bias and misinformation, and a substantial decrease in trust and civics fluency.

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                                The playing field the fairness doctrine was meant to referee, is all but abandoned and irrelevant anyway.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  It was only relevant, and only constitutionally justifiable, when there was scarcity of broadcast bandwidth. Once we got cable it was hard to justify and when we got internet impossible.

                                  It did have its benefits though.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    Shapiro pretty well summed up my opinion…

                                    Link to video

                                    But, I would go farther than that. This was a massive mistake on Trumps part because it also reverses the moral standings. Americans in general cannot have two things be true in their own heads. They can’t comprehend that Kimmel trying to misinform the public on the motives and philosophy of the shooter is morally and ethically reprehensible while also acknowledging that the administration trying to shut him up is also morally and ethically reprehensible. They can’t see both being true at the same time, so instead they take idiotic stances on either side.

                                    Personally? I at least trust the courts and the rule of law to correct the damage done by Trump on this one. The damage done by Kimmel is already out there.

                                    The Brad

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                                      FIRE weighs in (gift link)

                                      https://wapo.st/4gsUn9k

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                          The pandering to the outrage mob is strong with this one…

                                          The Brad

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