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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #11

    Oh, I’m sure there’s a fair number of people enjoying gaming the system by making the ridiculous claim, and I’m sure there’s a bunch of stupid ass MAGA falling for the gaming and replying no and arguing with the rabble, which just raises the number of views and pushes the view in the algorithm, but I think we both recognize the number of kids that really think the kid is conservative or MAGA is tiny and consists of the mentally and emotionally disturbed.

    The Brad

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      #12

      I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

      HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

        HoraceH Offline
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        @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

        I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

        I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post. But people believing what they want to believe, or not admitting what they don't want to admit, does not require any clever messaging or spin.

        I listened to Derek Thompson's podcast today, and he opened with some words about the shooter's motivation. Thompson offers that people who do violence like that are almost always impossible to pin down to any mainstream political philosophy.

        Variations of Thompson's avoidance are the norm for anybody who's made a lifestyle of reminding everybody who will listen that Trumpism is an existential threat. Bluesky types of lefties are admittedly actively engaged in claims that the shooter is far right, because the gamer culture where the jokes came from, is allegedly extremist right. Even that part of the claim is probably BS, to say nothing of the shooter's politics, which Occam still tells us are banal pop culture hatred of the right.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

          I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

          I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post. But people believing what they want to believe, or not admitting what they don't want to admit, does not require any clever messaging or spin.

          I listened to Derek Thompson's podcast today, and he opened with some words about the shooter's motivation. Thompson offers that people who do violence like that are almost always impossible to pin down to any mainstream political philosophy.

          Variations of Thompson's avoidance are the norm for anybody who's made a lifestyle of reminding everybody who will listen that Trumpism is an existential threat. Bluesky types of lefties are admittedly actively engaged in claims that the shooter is far right, because the gamer culture where the jokes came from, is allegedly extremist right. Even that part of the claim is probably BS, to say nothing of the shooter's politics, which Occam still tells us are banal pop culture hatred of the right.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          @Horace said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

          @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

          I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

          I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post. But people believing what they want to believe, or not admitting what they don't want to admit, does not require any clever messaging or spin.

          I listened to Derek Thompson's podcast today, and he opened with some words about the shooter's motivation. Thompson offers that people who do violence like that are almost always impossible to pin down to any mainstream political philosophy.

          Variations of Thompson's avoidance are the norm for anybody who's made a lifestyle of reminding everybody who will listen that Trumpism is an existential threat. Bluesky types of lefties are admittedly actively engaged in claims that the shooter is far right, because the gamer culture where the jokes came from, is allegedly extremist right. Even that part of the claim is probably BS, to say nothing of the shooter's politics, which Occam still tells us are banal pop culture hatred of the right.

          As I mentioned above, Luke knew that code from Helldivers immediately. He plays the game avidly, and leans left. Hardly a bastion of the far right. From my experience, the gamer culture is fairly apolitical, or far left.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Horace said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

            @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

            I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

            I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post. But people believing what they want to believe, or not admitting what they don't want to admit, does not require any clever messaging or spin.

            I listened to Derek Thompson's podcast today, and he opened with some words about the shooter's motivation. Thompson offers that people who do violence like that are almost always impossible to pin down to any mainstream political philosophy.

            Variations of Thompson's avoidance are the norm for anybody who's made a lifestyle of reminding everybody who will listen that Trumpism is an existential threat. Bluesky types of lefties are admittedly actively engaged in claims that the shooter is far right, because the gamer culture where the jokes came from, is allegedly extremist right. Even that part of the claim is probably BS, to say nothing of the shooter's politics, which Occam still tells us are banal pop culture hatred of the right.

            As I mentioned above, Luke knew that code from Helldivers immediately. He plays the game avidly, and leans left. Hardly a bastion of the far right. From my experience, the gamer culture is fairly apolitical, or far left.

            jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote last edited by jon-nyc
            #15

            @LuFins-Dad said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

            @Horace said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

            @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

            I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

            I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post.

            I draw one. At the time the algorithm generated the headline, the left was winning the spin war on Twitter.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

            HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @LuFins-Dad said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              @Horace said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

              I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post.

              I draw one. At the time the algorithm generated the headline, the left was winning the spin war on Twitter.

              HoraceH Offline
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              @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              @Horace said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              @jon-nyc said in Wow give the left credit for successful spin:

              I think you misread my post. It was only ever about the what the title says it is about.

              I draw no conclusions about anything based on the AI headlines in your original post.

              I draw one. At the time the algorithm generated the headline, the left was winning the spin war on Twitter.

              Only you know the prompt you used. Since you’ve iterated twice that the AI response meant something about a certain point in time, and haven’t updated your experimental results for our current point in time, I assume that the current results aren’t fun for you to post. And it remains observable fact that claims about the shooter being on the far right, are the domain of wing nuts. Mainstream lefties meanwhile are engaged in simple avoidance.

              Education is extremely important.

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                jon-nyc
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                #17

                There’s no prompt and I don’t believe it’s personal to me in any way. You just go to the search tab in Twitter and the algorithm summarizes ‘today’s news’. Of course it’s different now. It’s been 12 hours.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
                  wrote last edited by
                  #18

                  I see. This morning it says "leftist gunman". Indicating something obvious and banal about reality, rather than anything about messaging spin.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
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                    #19

                    My leftist brother has been strangely silent these past few days. It is my hope that the tsunami of anti-Trump, anti-conservative, anti-GOP posts that have characterized his social media presence have given him pause to consider his role in fomenting the hate that led to this.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #20

                      I’m curious as to what, if any, common patterns or parallels can be drawn between Robinson with Crooks and Mangione. All three under thirty males (that is why I leave out the much older Routh) of documented above average intelligence and coming from seemingly good family backgrounds and no (known) prior criminal acts. Was there a common but, as yet, unrecognised, pathology at play? Or was it simply a matter of failing prey to the extremist and banal populism that leads to amoral and nihilistic thinking and, in these three instances, an immoral criminal act with tragic consequences? I don’t know.

                      Elbows up!

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