Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast
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@Jolly said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
In this case, it's not just the MAGA attire, it's the simple fact that Goodyear has become political and woke concerning their employees, pushing the politics and rights of one group of employees ahead of the others.
I agree with that, but there would be much better ways to draw attention to the problematic aspects of "woke" company policies than Trump's clumsy and impulsive tweets.
The real problem is that Trump is just as much a proponent of tribalism as those who push those "woke" company policies. He isn't opposed to those policies out of concern for some greater good. He is opposed to it because these are policies directed against his tribe and for the "enemy" tribe.
@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Jolly said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
In this case, it's not just the MAGA attire, it's the simple fact that Goodyear has become political and woke concerning their employees, pushing the politics and rights of one group of employees ahead of the others.
I agree with that, but there would be much better ways to draw attention to the problematic aspects of "woke" company policies than Trump's clumsy and impulsive tweets.
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
The real problem is that Trump is just as much a proponent of tribalism as those who push those "woke" company policies. He isn't opposed to those policies out of concern for some greater good. He is opposed to it because these are policies directed against his tribe and for the "enemy" tribe.
I believe he's opposed to wokeness and political correctness in principle.
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@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Jolly said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
In this case, it's not just the MAGA attire, it's the simple fact that Goodyear has become political and woke concerning their employees, pushing the politics and rights of one group of employees ahead of the others.
I agree with that, but there would be much better ways to draw attention to the problematic aspects of "woke" company policies than Trump's clumsy and impulsive tweets.
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
The real problem is that Trump is just as much a proponent of tribalism as those who push those "woke" company policies. He isn't opposed to those policies out of concern for some greater good. He is opposed to it because these are policies directed against his tribe and for the "enemy" tribe.
I believe he's opposed to wokeness and political correctness in principle.
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
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@mark said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
I need a new set of tires on two vehicles. Usually don't even consider GoodYear tires. I think I will buy two sets of GoodYear tires now.
I suggest buying the tires you like, then contributing to the Biden campaign if you want to send an F U to Trump.
I must say, you've come a long way since those simpler days when half your posts were railing against income taxes. Now the only thing you rail against is the politician who lowered them.
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@mark said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
I need a new set of tires on two vehicles. Usually don't even consider GoodYear tires. I think I will buy two sets of GoodYear tires now.
I suggest buying the tires you like, then contributing to the Biden campaign if you want to send an F U to Trump.
I must say, you've come a long way since those simpler days when half your posts were railing against income taxes. Now the only thing you rail against is the politician who lowered them.
So true!
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@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
Yes he could have acted in a way I would have liked more, and I like all your suggestions more than what he did. However I'll take his response over what a Democrat would do about weaponized wokeness in the workplace, which is to encourage it.
Education is extremely important.
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@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
Yes he could have acted in a way I would have liked more, and I like all your suggestions more than what he did. However I'll take his response over what a Democrat would do about weaponized wokeness in the workplace, which is to encourage it.
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
Yes he could have acted in a way I would have liked more, and I like all your suggestions more than what he did. However I'll take his response over what a Democrat would do about weaponized wokeness in the workplace, which is to encourage it.
Can I get an Amen!
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@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
We wouldn't be talking about this instance of woke company policies if any of those "much better ways" had been used.
Here are a few things he could have done instead.
- give a passionate speech about the value and lived culture of freedom of speech, equality before the law, individualism instead of identity politics
- set in motion legislation that forbids companies to force employees to comply with particular political points of view
- set in motion legislation to "blacklist" certain companies such that they cannot get government contracts
- when citing example cases, make sure to use those where there is no potential conflict of interest, i.e., those where he isn't directly affected. In general, make it blatantly obvious that the issue is not "they attacked me, so I attack them" but rather a matter of defending the values upon which the US is built.
Instead he has chosen to make it look as yet another case of acting like the bully at school. How utterly embarrasing to trash-talk about the quality of Goodyear tires. They haven't suddenly become better or worse because of this. We all know that if Goodyear had done something "for him", he'd advertise those same tires as the best tires ever. Trump's world consists of people who support and (more importantly) praise him, and those who do not. There are no principles or values or political philosophies.
Yes he could have acted in a way I would have liked more, and I like all your suggestions more than what he did. However I'll take his response over what a Democrat would do about weaponized wokeness in the workplace, which is to encourage it.
@Horace said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
Yes he could have acted in a way I would have liked more, and I like all your suggestions more than what he did. However I'll take his response over what a Democrat would do about weaponized wokeness in the workplace, which is to encourage it.
Fair enough, but I think the point you are missing is that Trump's behavior is harmful in other regards completely separate from the "woke companies" issue, and there is no indication that Biden, say, would do a similar kind of damage. I'm talking about political culture itself, of course: the qualities we associate with political leadership in a constitutional democracy, as opposed to the political leadership of a tribalistic despot.
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@Jolly said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
As usual, I bet you don't know any background...Trump's ire is aroused because of Goodyear's new policy:
While Goodyear has the right to dictate employee dress while at work, MAGA items were singled out, along with other things.
Goodyear clarify that this was not company policy, not agreed by them, etc etc As is usual, something gets out and is acted upon before full investigation is completed.
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Read what isn't said. It's a classic case of plausible deniability.
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@Jolly said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
Read what isn't said. It's a classic case of plausible deniability.
What isn't said??
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@Klaus said in Trump cancels Goodyear, to change tires on the Beast:
Well, for one they could have said in what context the slide was used and who created it.
Which leads me to believe that it wasn't created out of thin air. Also notice they went to some pains not to say where it came from.
