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Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…

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  • kluursK Offline
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    This is so incredibly sad. One can only hope that we do learn some things from this - and that we don't repeat this horror. I can't imagine the pain of the parents. A meteorologist from that area did a post where she said it had nothing to do with staff shortages. She suggested that a weather alert radio could have helped provide warning as there was no cell service, and the worst of things were happening so early in the morning than many might have been asleep. Second thing would have been rising water sensors with a siren. Neither would be expensive.

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    • MikM Away
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      How about don't build summer camps in flood prone areas.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        Why? It's not like it's happened before.

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          How soon do you think a movie will be made about Scott Ruskan, the "rookie" 26 year old Coast Guard rescue swimmer who's been in the headlines lately about being the rescuer on the ground helping save/evacuate like 150 kids? I'm guessing 2027, starring Glen Powell.

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            How soon do you think a movie will be made about Scott Ruskan, the "rookie" 26 year old Coast Guard rescue swimmer who's been in the headlines lately about being the rescuer on the ground helping save/evacuate like 150 kids? I'm guessing 2027, starring Glen Powell.

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            @89th said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

            How soon do you think a movie will be made about Scott Ruskan, the "rookie" 26 year old Coast Guard rescue swimmer who's been in the headlines lately about being the rescuer on the ground helping save/evacuate like 150 kids? I'm guessing 2027, starring Glen Powell.

            I’m thinking that’s a gross exaggeration of what he actually did. It makes it sound like he personally swam through the raging river waters to reach stranded campers… He was placed in the highground of the island and decided which of the girls clinging to trees was in the most danger and the rescue crews responded accordingly. I’m not trying to belittle him, either, but it was one cog in a huge machine.

            The Brad

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              Wow.

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              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                @89th said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

                How soon do you think a movie will be made about Scott Ruskan, the "rookie" 26 year old Coast Guard rescue swimmer who's been in the headlines lately about being the rescuer on the ground helping save/evacuate like 150 kids? I'm guessing 2027, starring Glen Powell.

                I’m thinking that’s a gross exaggeration of what he actually did. It makes it sound like he personally swam through the raging river waters to reach stranded campers… He was placed in the highground of the island and decided which of the girls clinging to trees was in the most danger and the rescue crews responded accordingly. I’m not trying to belittle him, either, but it was one cog in a huge machine.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

                @89th said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

                How soon do you think a movie will be made about Scott Ruskan, the "rookie" 26 year old Coast Guard rescue swimmer who's been in the headlines lately about being the rescuer on the ground helping save/evacuate like 150 kids? I'm guessing 2027, starring Glen Powell.

                I’m thinking that’s a gross exaggeration of what he actually did. It makes it sound like he personally swam through the raging river waters to reach stranded campers… He was placed in the highground of the island and decided which of the girls clinging to trees was in the most danger and the rescue crews responded accordingly. I’m not trying to belittle him, either, but it was one cog in a huge machine.

                Oh agreed. When I saw some headlines about how many people he saved, but then heard him talk (he's pretty humble and professional about it, kudos to him), it was clear he was organizing which people would be airlifted to the nearest LZ. A good effort, but agree it wasn't him swimming in the raging river dragging each person to shore.

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                  Just verified with AI a story that sounded unbelievable - but the lovely people in that county in Texas were offered equipment to warn of flooding - and decided against it. Most of the surrounding counties went for and installed the equipment. Reliable reporting confirms that Kerr County, including the town of Kerrville in Texas, had long declined proposals for installing a flood warning system—even as officials recognized the high flood risk. One plan in 2016 called for a nearly $1 million system, and despite offers of federal funding, the county never moved forward due to a desire concerns primarily focused upon sirens

                  That flood system could have included outdoor sirens, gauges, and redundant notification methods. However, debates during the county’s commissioners court meetings included dismissive remarks such as preferring the status quo river‑camp “phone‑call” alert system, with one commissioner quipping:

                  “The thought of our beautiful Kerr County having these damn sirens going off in the middle of night…”

                  In short:, equipment that would have delivered warnings (sirens and monitoring systems) was proposed multiple times but ultimately rejected.

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                    Yup, and it was "Biden's money" they didn't want to accept. They sure showed sleepy joe!!

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1lwt3qb/old_video_transcript_of_kerr_county_council/

                    https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/


                    Read paragraph 19,21,21.

                    Kerr County did not opt for ARPA to fund flood warning systems despite commissioners discussing such projects nearly two dozen times since 2016. In fact, a survey sent to residents about ARPA spending showed that 42% of the 180 responses wanted to reject the $10 million bonus altogether, largely on political grounds.

                    “I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.

                    “We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”


                    Obviously Trump didn't do this directly, but his rhetoric and lies about Biden caused this to an extent.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      I knew magatry could be fatal for children, but I thought it was only vaccine related.

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        Yup, and it was "Biden's money" they didn't want to accept. They sure showed sleepy joe!!

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1lwt3qb/old_video_transcript_of_kerr_county_council/

                        https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/


                        Read paragraph 19,21,21.

                        Kerr County did not opt for ARPA to fund flood warning systems despite commissioners discussing such projects nearly two dozen times since 2016. In fact, a survey sent to residents about ARPA spending showed that 42% of the 180 responses wanted to reject the $10 million bonus altogether, largely on political grounds.

                        “I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.

                        “We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”


                        Obviously Trump didn't do this directly, but his rhetoric and lies about Biden caused this to an extent.

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                        @89th said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

                        “We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”

                        ...Says the person who never travels on interstates, or flies in an airplane, or takes shelter during a tornado warning, or who eats food without worrying about its quality, or sleeps peacefully knowing we have the best military.

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                          Major TLDW... they didn't want to use the funds because they thought it would later require vaccines and masks.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            Death by magatry. All those little girls.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              Aged well

                              Link to video

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                I still don’t understand why are magats????

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
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                                  Why would this be ‘the devils money’ while they happily cash their social security checks, drive on I-10, spend Medicare/medicaid dollars, get Pell grants for their kids, etc?

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    My understanding is that they took $10M - but just wanted to use it for their Sheriffs dept - not those damned sirens - which traditionally are louder than wind turbines.

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                                      Heck of a job, Kristi.

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/climate/fema-missed-calls-texas-floods.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.44nk.vtSQBQDgIjBm&smid=url-share

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      • kluursK kluurs

                                        Aged well

                                        Link to video

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                                        @kluurs said in Flooding in Texas - 81 dead, ten little girls from a summer camp still missing…:

                                        Aged well

                                        Link to video

                                        While this and @jon-nyc s posts are interesting and worth consideration, it’s also worth remembering that warnings were being sent to sheriffs, county/town commissioners, fire departments WELL in advance, the NWS had issued various level of alerts including that cellphone override system. I doubt that sirens would have been heeded any more than the other warnings.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • MikM Away
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                                          A siren just alerts you that something, God knows what, might be happening. There's no information to make a decision on. I remember in the 80's they installed these things. One was very close to my house and would go off at 3 AM if there was going to be a thunderstorm. Thanks for waking me from a sound sleep to tell me it's going to rain. I only want it to sound for Armageddon.

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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