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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
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    #235

    I just love people who want to define what a real American is.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #236

      Once again I've been offline for a few hours, just put the kids to bed, and now I get my news updates from TNCR! Interesting to scan this thread over the last few hours.

      My first thought as @jon-nyc was posting the market odds was... I could see Trump going in for the "gimme putt" after Israel does most of the work, so that we can claim victory.

      Nonetheless, Jon you are right there are things we do well and things we don't. Blow shit up is one thing we do really well. And will it cause WW3? I doubt it. I'm not an expert in the slightest, but I can't imagine the big boys like China or Russia are willing to jump into the poker hand for Iran. The folks that count on Iran seem to be the weaker Islamic countries that don't have many chips to play poker with in the first place. So WW3? Doubtful. Iran losing and regime change? Probably... although could be decades of chaos within as a result. Maybe that's a good thing, better than a well-armed and/or nuclear Iran that threatens Israel's existence and by proxy, the western free world.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
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        I think what we need to consider is just how deep the centrifuges at Fordo are. There’s no guarantee the MOPs would be successful.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          #238

          Am more drawn to analyses of events and crises such as this and Ukraine.

          A an old friend of mine who lives in Ottawa sent me the following. Pretty compelling reading about Israel’s capabilities and Iran’s lack thereof. A few parallels with what Ukraine has been achieving lately against Russia. Both wars will be studied at military academies for some time to come.

          Elbows up!

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #239

            lol.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #240

              This guy raises a good point. It’s been a tough week for team drones. (Though to be fair Israel’s initial wave included drones that had been smuggled into Iran)

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
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                #241

                China is advising its citizens to leave Iran immediately.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  Am more drawn to analyses of events and crises such as this and Ukraine.

                  A an old friend of mine who lives in Ottawa sent me the following. Pretty compelling reading about Israel’s capabilities and Iran’s lack thereof. A few parallels with what Ukraine has been achieving lately against Russia. Both wars will be studied at military academies for some time to come.

                  MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote last edited by
                  #242

                  @Renauda said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                  Am more drawn to analyses of events and crises such as this and Ukraine.

                  A an old friend of mine who lives in Ottawa sent me the following. Pretty compelling reading about Israel’s capabilities and Iran’s lack thereof. A few parallels with what Ukraine has been achieving lately against Russia. Both wars will be studied at military academies for some time to come.

                  Great piece. Thanks.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
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                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/i-m-iranian-some-here-are-cheering-israeli-air-strikes-and-i-understand-why/ar-AA1GR4vs?cmp_prftch=2

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #245

                        Ok maybe I can think of a worse job. At least at Fordo there’s a chance it gets attacked when you’re off duty.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          #246

                          The best case I’ve heard against regime change. The title is more polemic than the piece.

                          https://unherd.com/2025/06/the-regime-change-maniacs-are-back/?us

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
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                            We've..scratch that, make it they.. have learned nothing. The Iranian people don't want us to come in and direct regime change. The people have to do that.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Yeah but we’ve seen in the region with the green revolutions that there’s a high risk of Islamist takeover arising from chaos.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #249

                                Seems like an honest answer re Tulsi.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
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                                  Yet. But they are amassing the materials to do so.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Yeah but we’ve seen in the region with the green revolutions that there’s a high risk of Islamist takeover arising from chaos.

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                                    #251

                                    @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                    Yeah but we’ve seen in the region with the green revolutions that there’s a high risk of Islamist takeover arising from chaos.

                                    Which is exactly what happened in Iran in 1979. The revolution began as an urban middle class revolt against autocracy
                                    and was quickly usurped by fanatic anti Western clerics who support base resided in primarily rural areas and urban poor communities.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                                      Islam is foul.

                                      It’s been a while since I posted that. Don’t want anyone to forget.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        This guy means business.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • HoraceH Online
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                                          #254

                                          In my old age I've grown tired of that writing style with the affectation of too cool for school, and all the swear words and eyerolls at everybody who isn't smart like them. But I listened to If Books Could Kill this morning, and the hosts of that show both come from ground zero of whatever alt culture that is. I see that guy's moniker is "planefag". Maybe that affectation is big in certain LBGTQ communities. One of the hosts of that show is trans. This morning, they were dunking on In Covid's Wake.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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