The Ukraine war thread
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Amateur hour continues. He uses a Russian interpreter instead of bringing his own
I read about that. That is just crazy!!!
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Medvedev speaking bluntly:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-rejects-kievs-peace-plan-152431680.html
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No surprise. Further proof that Kremlin is not serious about peace talks with Ukraine. In absence of Putin at least send the obnoxious foreign minister, Lavrov to meet with the Ukrainians for the meeting Putin ordered in the first place. Zelenskyi and a couple of his ministers will be there tomorrow and Friday. Word has it that so will Rubio.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqe9g0vn57o
And here:
Like Republican Senator Kennedy of Louisiana pointed out a couple weeks back, Putin is playing the US (read: Trump Administration) for a bunch of chumps.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.
For all his, "awe shuks" and "yes" and "no ma'am" he's the smartest guy in the Senate.
@Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.
For all his, "awe shuks" and "yes" and "no ma'am" he's the smartest guy in the Senate.
I'm sure he loves it when people underestimate him.
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Well at least Russia has moved past some its medieval mythology to justify the war. It’s now moved on to early modern history lessons from the time Peter the Great:
“The Great Northern War with Sweden lasted 21 years. Twenty-one years. But just a few years after it began, Peter the Great offered peace to the Swedes… What did the Swedes say? ‘No, we will fight to the last Swede’,” Medinsky said in an interview with pro-Kremlin TV host Yevgeny Popov.
Still, the Russians get the history of the war with Sweden wrong and lay a back handed insult to all members of NATO at the same time. But that is only to be expected of an aggressor state.
Kremlin is not interested in any terms short of Ukraine’s total capitulation.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/23/ukraine-russia-drones-fiberoptic-jamming/
Fiber optic drones -- drones that fly tethered to a fiber optic strand; not susceptible to wireless signal jammers. The article says something about "12 miles" range and risk of cable entanglements. Hard for me to imagine a flying object going 12 miles tethered to a cable, much less a swarm of those going at the same time.
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"Trump felt that he knew Putin and that the Russian leader would end the war as a personal favor."
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Nothing happened to Putin, he is what he always has been. A KGB hood.
Trump is only beginning to come to terms that Putin has all along been playing him for the political Muggins he really is. The latter is not the least bit serious of agreeing to any peace deal short of the total capitulation of Ukraine to Russia’s stated objectives.
Yesterday’s comment from the Kremlin that Trump is merely experiencing “emotional overload” is a patronising insult designed to show the total disregard Putin himself holds towards Trump as a leader and person.
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Putin lays out his conditions. Basically keep all the territory, no NATO, lft sanctions and give us our frozen assets.
"Bygones".
He's probably thinking he's gone as far as he can with this and there's nothing more to be gained.
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The article leaves out a few salient points. Namely that Ukraine must give up all occupied and annexed but unoccupied Ukrainian territory and that NATO must abandon its open door policy regarding membership. As well, the term neutrality in context of Ukraine means becoming a puppet state of the Kremlin.
There are no concessions in the stated proposal outline. Rather they are terms of surrender for Ukraine, the US and the Western Alliance. Quite unacceptable to my thinking on the matter.
