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Powell: "I won't quit"

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  • T taiwan_girl
    9 Nov 2024, 02:42

    @George-K said in Powell: "I won't quit":

    What other "independent" parts of the US government exist?

    Supreme Court?

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    George K
    wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 02:53 last edited by
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    @taiwan_girl said in Powell: "I won't quit":

    @George-K said in Powell: "I won't quit":

    What other "independent" parts of the US government exist?

    Supreme Court?

    No. The Supreme Court is a branch, one of three, of the government as established by the constitution as part of the judiciary. It is co-equal with the executive and legislative branches.

    Where does the Federal Reserve fit into that? Which one of the three branches does it fall under?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 04:08 last edited by
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      I don’t know the particulars about removing a fed governor or chair but I can say it is very very independent.

      The Federal Reserve Board of Governors (full disclosure, where one of my sisters works) is technically a Government Agency. But they don’t own the banks in the system, they just have an oversight role.

      The individual banks are “owned”, but not really, by member banks from that region. But those banks have limited rights, can’t sell the stock, can’t set policy, etc.

      Ultimately it’s accountable to congress who created it and could amend the legislation if it wanted to.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 04:11 last edited by
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        I consulted for the NY Fed, the one regional branch with a special function that puts it above the others - it actually is a market participant that literally implements Fed policy by buying and selling bonds (“open market operations”, in the vernacular)

        In my experience they behave as if they were a government agency when it’s convenient and they act like it’s private when it suits them.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 08:37 last edited by
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          INteresting. I think that the ability to stay pretty independent is, in the long term, very good for the US economy.

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            9 Nov 2024, 04:11

            I consulted for the NY Fed, the one regional branch with a special function that puts it above the others - it actually is a market participant that literally implements Fed policy by buying and selling bonds (“open market operations”, in the vernacular)

            In my experience they behave as if they were a government agency when it’s convenient and they act like it’s private when it suits them.

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            George K
            wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 12:44 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Powell: "I won't quit":

            In my experience they behave as if they were a government agency when it’s convenient and they act like it’s private when it suits them.

            Perfect.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • T taiwan_girl
              9 Nov 2024, 08:37

              INteresting. I think that the ability to stay pretty independent is, in the long term, very good for the US economy.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 12:48 last edited by
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              @taiwan_girl said in Powell: "I won't quit":

              INteresting. I think that the ability to stay pretty independent is, in the long term, very good for the US economy.

              It is. Looking historically non-independent central banks ending up serving the interest of the political career of the executive rather than the country. It’s inevitable.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 01:27 last edited by
                #15

                President Trump, the great economic thinker that he is, gives his opinion on Chairman Powell. As always, he keeps is classy.

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                  89th
                  wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 11:54 last edited by
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                  Bloody hell another thread I started reading, not realizing the posts were from last year. And then I get excited because I thought @George-K was posting!

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 12:55 last edited by
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                    Apparently we're all getting rich. I'm still waiting for that shit to trickle down.

                    I was only joking

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 12:57 last edited by
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                      Work harder.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        18 Apr 2025, 12:57

                        Work harder.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 13:02 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in Powell: "I won't quit":

                        Work harder.

                        Fuck off, I've been here since 6am.

                        I was only joking

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 13:07 last edited by
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                          Work harder. I've already planted two rows of peas.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            89th
                            wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 13:11 last edited by
                            #21

                            Now it's time for some peas and quiet.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 17:42 last edited by
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                              Nah, I cleaned the A/C fins, did some plant watering and push-mowed the dog's yard. Gonna go mow on the rider for about an hour, then I've got other stuff to do.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 21 Apr 2025, 21:07 last edited by
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                                Do you think he’ll try to fire Powell?

                                Or is he just setting him up to be blamed for the likely recession that Trump and Trump alone and nobody else but Trump is bringing on?

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 01:28 last edited by
                                  #24

                                  Can he fire him? I thought it was not possible.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 02:58 last edited by 89th
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                                    Whether he fires Powell or later replaces him (next year?) with a Hulk Hogan type person when his term is up, I am (in a slightly tin-foil hat way) concerned it would lead to a ripple effect that'll really put the US dollar at risk sending the world into a massive financial depression.

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                                    • T taiwan_girl
                                      22 Apr 2025, 01:28

                                      Can he fire him? I thought it was not possible.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 08:56 last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in Powell: "I won't quit":

                                      Can he fire him? I thought it was not possible.

                                      Under the law it isn’t but he may try to test that in the courts under the ‘unitary executive’ theory.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 22:55 last edited by
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                                        President Donald Trump said Tuesday he has no plans to fire Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, just days after his statement that he would like to terminate the head of the U.S. central bank caused a stock market selloff.

                                        https://apnews.com/article/federal-reserve-trump-jerome-powel-4710172f1fd4d6493769ac0b81703c01

                                        Do we have a "whiplash" emoji? LOL. Was he lying then or is lying now?

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 22:58 last edited by
                                          #28

                                          Yes.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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