Trumpenomics
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Elon has been very quiet about the tariffs until the last few days.
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@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Yeah. Very quiet.
But not so much the last two days. What happens as the split widens over tariffs?
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Musk has now called out Navarro as being “dumber than a sack of bricks”:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrgx4ky1xxo
Sounds like the malice in wonderland theatrical hit of the first term may be on for an encore.
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Don't buy the bullshit.
Example: On supposedly Black Monday, CNN was running the stock tickers all day and telling us all how bad Trump had screwed up.
Today, the market is up a bit and a stock ticker is no longer scrolling across the bottom of the screen. The media is going to do everything it can to generate clicks through Trump doomporn.
I haven't been adding to my investments in awhile. I think today I start dollar averaging the Roth and will continue to do so for the next 18 months.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Okay, so moving beyond the outright tariff policies, there has been a lot of talk about non-tariff trade barriers including currency manipulation. Is that accurate? And what are the other trade barriers they are alluding to?
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
The Brad
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Okay, so moving beyond the outright tariff policies, there has been a lot of talk about non-tariff trade barriers including currency manipulation. Is that accurate? And what are the other trade barriers they are alluding to?
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
Okay, so moving beyond the outright tariff policies, there has been a lot of talk about non-tariff trade barriers including currency manipulation. Is that accurate? And what are the other trade barriers they are alluding to?
I think they've pivoted to this because they can hand-wave "non-tariff barriers", but not tariffs, which are publicly known and unambiguous. The example of a non-tariff barrier I've heard them use is a VAT, or sales tax, in Europe, and I've heard that calling that a barrier is nonsense, because it applies to Europe's own domestic products too.
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
I'm hoping "trade deficits" are computed per-capita. They still wouldn't be a bad thing per se, but at least they would be a reasonable thing to talk about.
Education is extremely important.
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Don't buy the bullshit.
Example: On supposedly Black Monday, CNN was running the stock tickers all day and telling us all how bad Trump had screwed up.
Today, the market is up a bit and a stock ticker is no longer scrolling across the bottom of the screen. The media is going to do everything it can to generate clicks through Trump doomporn.
I haven't been adding to my investments in awhile. I think today I start dollar averaging the Roth and will continue to do so for the next 18 months.
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
Don't buy the bullshit.
I don't think the damage done to the world economy by universal tariffs, is bullshit.
There is a case to be made that a more protectionist America is a more economically resilient America, so there is that, but the economic efficiency of tariff-free trading will be missed hugely, and everybody will feel it, if it goes.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
Okay, so moving beyond the outright tariff policies, there has been a lot of talk about non-tariff trade barriers including currency manipulation. Is that accurate? And what are the other trade barriers they are alluding to?
I think they've pivoted to this because they can hand-wave "non-tariff barriers", but not tariffs, which are publicly known and unambiguous. The example of a non-tariff barrier I've heard them use is a VAT, or sales tax, in Europe, and I've heard that calling that a barrier is nonsense, because it applies to Europe's own domestic products too.
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
I'm hoping "trade deficits" are computed per-capita. They still wouldn't be a bad thing per se, but at least they would be a reasonable thing to talk about.
@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
I'm hoping "trade deficits" are computed per-capita. They still wouldn't be a bad thing per se, but at least they would be a reasonable thing to talk about.
I'm a bit concerned there is a concern about trade deficits in the first place. They aren't inherently bad, and one could argue in the current environment, they're actually a good thing most of the time. We're also in a global economy...different countries produce different goods with respective efficiencies. Let USA focus on what we're good at, let China do what they're good at. Plus it promotes peace, to an extent, too.
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The idea that trade deficits are inherently bad really is surprisingly stupid. Does Trump actually believe this?
I was only joking
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Okay, so moving beyond the outright tariff policies, there has been a lot of talk about non-tariff trade barriers including currency manipulation. Is that accurate? And what are the other trade barriers they are alluding to?
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
Buy more weapons.
“Don’t make me repeat myself”
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The idea that trade deficits are inherently bad really is surprisingly stupid. Does Trump actually believe this?
The idea that trade deficits are inherently bad really is surprisingly stupid. Does Trump actually believe this?
Yes, I am convinced he actually does. He also equates purchasing something as a subsidy. He is quite thick headed that way.
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Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
The Brad
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
Buy more weapons.
@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
And as a side note, Netanyahu is now saying he planes on eliminating the trade deficit between Israel and the US. Please explain to me how a nation of 10M can possibly equal the economic consumption of a nation of 350M? Especially when much of that trade is based on precious jewels, which the US has little industry in mining…
Buy more weapons.
We'll have to give them more money to do that - so perhaps, they should arrange to contribute more to Trump, his relative and of course, to member of congress and their families.
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Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
That very well may be the case, although I hope the angry proletarian rabble understands that it is just a matter of time before Trump will turn against their sacred cow labour unions. Cost of hourly US labour plus benefits is far too high for the Trump agenda (if there is indeed one) to even get off the ground.
That may be the time you predicted to see Vance’s exit; either sidelined from the Emporer’s court or jettisoned altogether.
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Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
Right, so he thinks (or pretends to, at least) that he can make US manufacturing competitive without reducing the salaries to competitive levels by taxing the shit out of foreign products and we can all go back to living in the golden age of the 1970's.
Funnily enough, I remember the 1970's as being a bit shit, to be honest.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
Right, so he thinks (or pretends to, at least) that he can make US manufacturing competitive without reducing the salaries to competitive levels by taxing the shit out of foreign products and we can all go back to living in the golden age of the 1970's.
Funnily enough, I remember the 1970's as being a bit shit, to be honest.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trumpenomics:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
Broad swaths of Western PA, Eastern Ohio, and Michigan view trade deficits as the reason why they and their communities are riddled with drugs, overdoses, and rusted out husks of factories. They don’t blame their unions, which essentially drove the factories into bankruptcy, but instead blame the foreign manufacturers. Japanese steel, in particular. Trump feels beholden to those groups. They got him elected, after all.
Right, so he thinks (or pretends to, at least) that he can make US manufacturing competitive without reducing the salaries to competitive levels by taxing the shit out of foreign products and we can all go back to living in the golden age of the 1970's.
Funnily enough, I remember the 1970's as being a bit shit, to be honest.
Not at all. I very much doubt that’s the goal. Oh, he would like to bring some more manufacturing back to the US, but the little that does happen to come back will go to Texas or Florida. States that are more competitive in recruiting business interests. The fact is that Western Pennsylvania has been too ruined by poor work ethics and standards thanks to those unions that it won’t recover through manufacturing, but the area is slowly being rehabilitated through gentrification. And they hate that, too. But oh well.
