The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans
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@Horace said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:
You may not have any interest in following their talking points, but they are not accusing this journalist of doing anything wrong specifically in this case. His history of motivated journalism is real, and they are going back to that history to call him names etc, but that's misdirection rather than explicit dishonesty. If anybody wants to get precious about those sorts of political word games, ok, but nobody will take it seriously.
It's fairly obvious that they fucked up royally, and they're trying to mis-direct people who are so gullible that they think this doesn't matter. It's also clear that they were very lucky they didn't say anything that could have been really damaging in their texts and that they didn't invite somebody who was a lot more cynical than this journalist turned out to be.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:
@Horace said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:
You may not have any interest in following their talking points, but they are not accusing this journalist of doing anything wrong specifically in this case. His history of motivated journalism is real, and they are going back to that history to call him names etc, but that's misdirection rather than explicit dishonesty. If anybody wants to get precious about those sorts of political word games, ok, but nobody will take it seriously.
It's fairly obvious that they fucked up royally, and they're trying to mis-direct people who are so gullible that they think this doesn't matter.
It's political spin. Maybe there is some gullibility involved in convincing the oppositional tribe that this time, political spin is a huge deal that we should care about hugely.
The mistake has been admitted to, and of course they won't be using language to describe the mistake that resonates with you. I'm sure the Biden administration didn't use words to describe the Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco that resonated with his opposition, either. But they probably admitted that it was a sub-optimal military action.
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It was obviously an egregious fuck up. Let’s acknowledge that and be thankful that there were no serious repercussions to the operation, and hopefully valuable lessons were learned for the individuals going forward. So what do we expect to see going forward?
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Firings/resignations and possible prosecutions?
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An earnest and well intentioned apology from those involved that is well received from the press and those on both sides of the political aisle?
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Continual denials and CYA statements from those involved while members of the press and opposition party snipe about this to the exclusion of everything else until some new bright and shiny story catches our attention?
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I wonder if it was something as stupid as them accidentally having Airdrop near each other and Goldberg was added to his contacts?
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Story here
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Please… Now the left is going apeshit about protecting Israeli intelligence because of a colossal blunder while 6 months ago the Biden administration was purposely leaking Israeli plans?
Fuckups happen but what Biden and co did was intentional.
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Second time you've mentioned George in two days.
Interesting...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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From Hillary Clinton:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/opinion/trump-hegseth-signal-chat.html
This is just dumb.
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Military pilots:
Worse, they [military pilots] said, is that going forward, they can no longer be certain that the Pentagon is focused on their safety when they strap into cockpits.
“The whole point about aviation safety is that you have to have the humility to understand that you are imperfect, because everybody screws up. Everybody makes mistakes,” said Lt. John Gadzinski, a retired Navy F-14 pilot who flew combat missions from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. “But ultimately, if you can’t admit when you’re wrong, you’re going to kill somebody because your ego is too big.”
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I believe that I've mentioned Hitler more often than I've mentioned George, and Horace has spoken about his neighbour.
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@Axtremus said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:
Gmail ...
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/01/mike-waltz-signal-gmail-security
Much ado about nothing.
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Signal messages discussing sensitive U.S. military plans were not on CIA director John Ratcliffe's phone when the CIA reviewed them, the CIA's Chief Data Officer has said.
In a court document submitted Monday as part of a lawsuit between nonpartisan watchdog group American Oversight and White House officials, Hurley V. Blankenship said that when the CIA reviewed a sensitive Signal group chat on March 31, days after news broke that a journalist had been erroneously added to it, "substantive messages" were not present and instead the chat showed only its group name and administrative settings.
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Federal Judge James Boasberg, the chief U.S. district judge in Washington, on March 27 ordered Ratcliffe—along with other members of the group chat Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard—to preserve all messages from March 11 to 15 in the chat group.
In a declaration, Blankenship wrote: "I understand that the Director's personal Signal account was reviewed and a screenshot of the Signal Chat at issue was captured from the Director's account on 31 March 2025, and transferred to Agency records systems the same day."
He added that the screenshot "reflects the information available at the time the screenshot was captured" which did "not include substantive messages from the Signal chat."
Instead, it had the group chat name "Houthi PC Small Group, and reflects administrative notifications from 26 March and 28 Match relating to changes in participant's administrative settings in this group chat, such as profile names and message settings."
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Signal messages discussing sensitive U.S. military plans were not on CIA director John Ratcliffe's phone when the CIA reviewed them, the CIA's Chief Data Officer has said.
In a court document submitted Monday as part of a lawsuit between nonpartisan watchdog group American Oversight and White House officials, Hurley V. Blankenship said that when the CIA reviewed a sensitive Signal group chat on March 31, days after news broke that a journalist had been erroneously added to it, "substantive messages" were not present and instead the chat showed only its group name and administrative settings.
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Federal Judge James Boasberg, the chief U.S. district judge in Washington, on March 27 ordered Ratcliffe—along with other members of the group chat Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard—to preserve all messages from March 11 to 15 in the chat group.
In a declaration, Blankenship wrote: "I understand that the Director's personal Signal account was reviewed and a screenshot of the Signal Chat at issue was captured from the Director's account on 31 March 2025, and transferred to Agency records systems the same day."
He added that the screenshot "reflects the information available at the time the screenshot was captured" which did "not include substantive messages from the Signal chat."
Instead, it had the group chat name "Houthi PC Small Group, and reflects administrative notifications from 26 March and 28 Match relating to changes in participant's administrative settings in this group chat, such as profile names and message settings."
@taiwan_girl said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:
He added that the screenshot "reflects the information available at the time the screenshot was captured" which did "not include substantive messages from the Signal chat."
Ha! In other words, the messages auto-deleted (or were manually deleted) but the screenshot is valid. How silly.
