Department of Education
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Makes sense. As I said, dont know much about it.
But how far "down the chain" do you go? Each school can set their own standards? Each state?
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
Makes sense. As I said, dont know much about it.
But how far "down the chain" do you go? Each school can set their own standards? Each state?
Depends on the state as to how much freedom the local schoolboard has.
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@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
Makes sense. As I said, dont know much about it.
But how far "down the chain" do you go? Each school can set their own standards? Each state?
Depends on the state as to how much freedom the local schoolboard has.
@Jolly said in Department of Education:
Depends on the state as to how much freedom the local schoolboard has.
Okay. But I would think it would be beneficial to have some sort of national (or at least state) standard.
Want to be XXX profession (doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc) there is a standarized test you must pass.
Various college studies (engineering for example) pretty much need to be accredited - again, following some sort of national standard.
(not saying the Dept. Of Ed could not have its functions taken up by another department)
I just think that going down to a "micro" scale of allowing each district/school to set their own standards is not a good idea.
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@Jolly said in Department of Education:
Depends on the state as to how much freedom the local schoolboard has.
Okay. But I would think it would be beneficial to have some sort of national (or at least state) standard.
Want to be XXX profession (doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc) there is a standarized test you must pass.
Various college studies (engineering for example) pretty much need to be accredited - again, following some sort of national standard.
(not saying the Dept. Of Ed could not have its functions taken up by another department)
I just think that going down to a "micro" scale of allowing each district/school to set their own standards is not a good idea.
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
allowing each district/school to set their own standards is not a good idea.
It is a great idea for schools that excel.
You don't want to set average standards for above average schools.
That is the "E" in DEI. DEI people want to make everyone equal by bringing down the good students, not by bringing up the bad students.
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@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
allowing each district/school to set their own standards is not a good idea.
It is a great idea for schools that excel.
You don't want to set average standards for above average schools.
That is the "E" in DEI. DEI people want to make everyone equal by bringing down the good students, not by bringing up the bad students.
@Copper said in Department of Education:
You don't want to set average standards for above average schools.
Sure you do. Then those schools exceed them.
You are a golfer. Every golf course sets a standard - the par score.
Great golfers exceed that score. Poor golfers do worse.
Same with setting standards for schools. Setting the standards does not mean that you cannot exceed them.
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@Copper said in Department of Education:
You don't want to set average standards for above average schools.
Sure you do. Then those schools exceed them.
You are a golfer. Every golf course sets a standard - the par score.
Great golfers exceed that score. Poor golfers do worse.
Same with setting standards for schools. Setting the standards does not mean that you cannot exceed them.
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
Setting the standards does not mean that you cannot exceed them.
That is exactly what is done by setting the standards low.
Removing SAT scores for college admission is an example of this.
Golf handicaps are another example of this.
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@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
Setting the standards does not mean that you cannot exceed them.
That is exactly what is done by setting the standards low.
Removing SAT scores for college admission is an example of this.
Golf handicaps are another example of this.
@Copper said in Department of Education:
That is exactly what is done by setting the standards low.
So, you are saying that the DOE has been setting national education standards and they are setting them too low?
Removing SAT scores for college admission is an example of this.
My point exactly. The SAT is a "national" standard. LOL
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I think the overall argument against the DOE is that their funding has been going at at the same time student achievement has been plummeting. So what’s the point?
I think the real answer is probably more cultural.
@xenon said in Department of Education:
I think the overall argument against the DOE is that their funding has been going at at the same time student achievement has been plummeting. So what’s the point?
I think the real answer is probably more cultural.
When they barred the kids from going to school during COVID, a lot of parents finally came face to face with what they're children were learning. Since COVID, we have had a boom in homeschooling and private schools. And it's not the cream that's being left behind in the public schools.
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I don’t think the DOE does what people here think it does.
Over half the budget is federal student aid - Pell grants, federal loans, etc. You going to zero that out? Another 30% or so are grants to K-12. You going to zero that out? 5% supports career and vocational training. Are we going to zero that out?
This will be like what he did to NAFTA. Basically rebrand it but leave it mostly unchanged.
