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  • JollyJ Jolly

    When you cite Rachel Madcow, you've lost all credibility.

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    #35

    @Jolly said in Trump Talk:

    When you cite Rachel Madcow, you've lost all credibility.

    Maybe he should have just said 'There's a rumour that....'

    I was only joking

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    • CopperC Offline
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      #36

      What a nice change, to have a president that can read, write and talk, and he is full of great ideas too!

      We are so lucky.

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      • CopperC Copper

        What a nice change, to have a president that can read, write and talk, and he is full of great ideas too!

        We are so lucky.

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        #37

        @Copper said in Trump Talk:

        What a nice change, to have a president that can read, write and talk

        It's certainly a step in the right direction. Maybe next time you'll find one that can read, write and talk intelligibly. We remain optimistic.

        I was only joking

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:

          @89th said in Trump Talk:

          lots of lies

          Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.

          The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…

          Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.

          Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.

          Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.

          Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…

          Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.

          Yep, that was a lie.

          Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.

          That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.

          Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.

          Yeah, that was a whopper.

          Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.

          Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.

          Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.

          Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.

          Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.

          It is true, but was a technical glitch.

          Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.

          I couldn’t say.

          Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.

          Subjective.

          Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.

          Subjective.

          https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-speech-fact-check-joint-address-congress-lies-rcna194848

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          #38

          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

          @taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:

          @89th said in Trump Talk:

          lots of lies

          Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.

          The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…

          We have different definitions of "catastrophe".

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.

          Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.

          I'm going to guess the "growth" we are going to see will not beat the growth we say in the mid 2010s, early 1980s, and of course the 1950s and 1960s which absolutely boomed.

          It was a lie, although it was a future prediction so we can revisit this in 4 years to see if the growth beat those other 4 areas.

          Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.

          Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…

          Do the towns still exist?

          Subjective lie.

          Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.

          Yep, that was a lie.

          Yup. I believe the US has spent 112 billion, Europe has spent 130 billion.

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.

          That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.

          "First time in modern history" is not subjective.

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.

          Yeah, that was a whopper.

          Glad you said that, I had a text exchange with a friend earlier that pointed out many, many times where inflation was worse in the last 45 years let alone in the history of our country.

          It was a lie.

          Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.

          Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.

          Not at all. Tax credits and support for EV charging stations. What definition of mandate do you have?

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.

          Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.

          The government still censors.

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.

          It is true, but was a technical glitch.

          I don't even want to go into the inaccuracies of the DOGE claims. I covered that in another thread, but essentially it's about 99% false.

          Partial lie.

          Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.

          I couldn’t say.

          I can. 23 closed under Biden's watch. 10 also closed under Trump's watch. Most of these were due to age or infrastructure, not by order of the President.

          It was a lie.

          Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.

          Subjective.

          Not subjective. You only have to go back 12 years. Obama's wins in 2008 and 2012 were substantially bigger (popular vote and electoral vote) than anything Trump has seen. Clinton's win in 1996 is also above Trump's. And the wins in the 80s by Reagan and Bush were drastically bigger than those, although you can frame those as "many decades".

          It was a lie.

          Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.

          Subjective.

          Not subjective. Trump's economy doesn't even come close to that of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton, Eisenhower, Ford, or Reagan. At least as measured by GDP. And that's only in the last 100 years. Most historians say FDR, Grant, and Clinton had the best economic results.

          It was a lie.

          https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-speech-fact-check-joint-address-congress-lies-rcna194848

          Oh come on, we aren't even going to talk about his Panama Canal lie???

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            #39

            Viewership statistics:

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/03/05/trump-nielsen-rating-presidential-address/81607205007/

            https://www.nielsen.com/news-center/2025/over-36-million-tune-in-to-president-trumps-2025-joint-address-to-congress/

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:

              @89th said in Trump Talk:

              lots of lies

              Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.

              The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…

              Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.

              Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.

              Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.

              Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…

              Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.

              Yep, that was a lie.

              Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.

              That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.

              Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.

              Yeah, that was a whopper.

              Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.

              Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.

              Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.

              Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.

              Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.

              It is true, but was a technical glitch.

              Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.

              I couldn’t say.

              Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.

              Subjective.

              Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.

              Subjective.

              https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-speech-fact-check-joint-address-congress-lies-rcna194848

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              #40

              @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

              The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents.

              I have long said that the president gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. So, yes the things happening now cannot be 100% blamed on President Trump. As you mentioned, they could partially be due to policies during the first President Trump term.

              But, the Republics ran (and won) on the economy, whether it actually was President Biden's fault or not. So, just trying to keep the same baseline.

              You mentioned some interesting data (federal interest rate, private debt, wage growth, etc.). I will try to add them to the Trumpenomics spreadsheet.

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                jon-nyc
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                #41

                Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  Horace
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                  #42

                  There's very little meat on the bones of all the rhetoric of DOGE's findings. Hopefully someday we'll get a full accounting of what they actually accomplish, and hopefully that will be significant.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #43

                    We funded the creation of the ‘PiZ transgenic mouse’ many years ago. It’s a mouse that expresses human AAT protein in the modified (read: fucked up) Z version which guys like me have. There’s another version that expresses human wild-type (read: normal) M version. Both required gene insertions because mice naturally make a different type of AAT.

                    This allows us to test potential treatments in mice. We have ferret models and so called ‘NHP’ models too (non-human primates).

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                      89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      #44

                      @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                      Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                      Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                      "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                      No! It is NOT real.

                      From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                      Trump just makes shit up.

                      I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                        Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                        Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                        "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                        No! It is NOT real.

                        From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                        Trump just makes shit up.

                        I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

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                        Renauda
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                        #45

                        @89th

                        I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                        Three guesses and first two don’t count.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                          Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                          Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                          "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                          No! It is NOT real.

                          From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                          Trump just makes shit up.

                          I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #46

                          @89th said in Trump Talk:

                          @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                          Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                          Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                          "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                          No! It is NOT real.

                          From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                          Trump just makes shit up.

                          I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                          From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                          https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @89th said in Trump Talk:

                            @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                            Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                            Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                            "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                            No! It is NOT real.

                            From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                            Trump just makes shit up.

                            I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                            From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                            https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #47

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                            https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                            So what?

                            It's ok to just make up stuff about him. TDS will make it true.

                            And I think he enjoys owning so many people.

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @89th said in Trump Talk:

                              @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                              Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                              Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                              "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                              No! It is NOT real.

                              From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                              Trump just makes shit up.

                              I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                              From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                              https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

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                              #48

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                              @89th said in Trump Talk:

                              @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                              Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                              Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                              "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                              No! It is NOT real.

                              From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                              Trump just makes shit up.

                              I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                              From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                              https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                              Ah I stand corrected, thanks! Although I wouldn't say the money was used to "make mice transgender" but really to investigate the harms and risks OF transgender/hormone therapy, which you'd think would be in the Republican playbook anyway... but that's in the details, as is the fact that RFK Jr's aunt's name is on half the grants, lol.

                              Ok, please correct me on the other 11 lies I outlined above. kthxbai!!

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Nancy must have had indigestion... This was right after Trump said, "Make America great again!" .

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                                @Jolly said in Trump Talk:

                                Nancy must have had indigestion... This was right after Trump said, "Make America great again!" .

                                I’ve seen more natural corpses.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                                  @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                                  Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                                  Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                                  "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                                  No! It is NOT real.

                                  From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                                  Trump just makes shit up.

                                  I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                                  From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                                  https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                                  Ah I stand corrected, thanks! Although I wouldn't say the money was used to "make mice transgender" but really to investigate the harms and risks OF transgender/hormone therapy, which you'd think would be in the Republican playbook anyway... but that's in the details, as is the fact that RFK Jr's aunt's name is on half the grants, lol.

                                  Ok, please correct me on the other 11 lies I outlined above. kthxbai!!

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                                  @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                                  @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                                  Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                                  Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                                  "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                                  No! It is NOT real.

                                  From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                                  Trump just makes shit up.

                                  I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                                  From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                                  https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                                  Ah I stand corrected, thanks! Although I wouldn't say the money was used to "make mice transgender" but really to investigate the harms and risks OF transgender/hormone therapy, which you'd think would be in the Republican playbook anyway... but that's in the details, as is the fact that RFK Jr's aunt's name is on half the grants, lol.

                                  Ok, please correct me on the other 11 lies I outlined above. kthxbai!!

                                  You know, you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar and then you complain about the dog.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                                    @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                                    Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                                    Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                                    "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                                    No! It is NOT real.

                                    From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                                    Trump just makes shit up.

                                    I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                                    From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                                    https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                                    Ah I stand corrected, thanks! Although I wouldn't say the money was used to "make mice transgender" but really to investigate the harms and risks OF transgender/hormone therapy, which you'd think would be in the Republican playbook anyway... but that's in the details, as is the fact that RFK Jr's aunt's name is on half the grants, lol.

                                    Ok, please correct me on the other 11 lies I outlined above. kthxbai!!

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:

                                    @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:

                                    Oh my - I’m seeing some noises that Trump/Musk flagged transgenic mouse research as ‘transgender’ mouse research? Did that really happen?

                                    Yes during the speech Trump said he was ending things like making mice transgender.

                                    "Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI+ in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous peoples and Afro Colombian empowerment in Central America — $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real."

                                    No! It is NOT real.

                                    From what I'm aware of, a few years ago there was a study on monkeys (not mice) to see the impact on the immune system if feminized hormones are adjusted.

                                    Trump just makes shit up.

                                    I did LOL during the speech at his "Nobody has ever heard of the country of Lesotho before". What President says that?!?!

                                    From what you are aware of is the operative phrase. There really did slend millions trying to trans mice, and not transgenic, @jon-nyc

                                    https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-are-the-transgender-mice-experiments-trump-talked-about

                                    Ah I stand corrected, thanks! Although I wouldn't say the money was used to "make mice transgender" but really to investigate the harms and risks OF transgender/hormone therapy, which you'd think would be in the Republican playbook anyway... but that's in the details, as is the fact that RFK Jr's aunt's name is on half the grants, lol.

                                    Ok, please correct me on the other 11 lies I outlined above. kthxbai!!

                                    I started to, then realized it wasn’t worth the time.

                                    The Brad

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                                      89th
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                                      I wish you would. There seems to be a general "yup, trump lies LOL" mentality here and it was refreshing to see some actual facts behind a counter argument!

                                      Take the "I cut 25,000 pages of regulations" claim, where he actually increased it by 1,000 pages. Maybe Trump was referring to another register of regulations?

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        I wish you would. There seems to be a general "yup, trump lies LOL" mentality here and it was refreshing to see some actual facts behind a counter argument!

                                        Take the "I cut 25,000 pages of regulations" claim, where he actually increased it by 1,000 pages. Maybe Trump was referring to another register of regulations?

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                                        @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                        Maybe Trump was referring to another register of regulations?

                                        Gasp! Are you suggesting that, just like there are alternative facts, we now have alternative legislations too?!

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          I wish you would. There seems to be a general "yup, trump lies LOL" mentality here and it was refreshing to see some actual facts behind a counter argument!

                                          Take the "I cut 25,000 pages of regulations" claim, where he actually increased it by 1,000 pages. Maybe Trump was referring to another register of regulations?

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                                          Jolly
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                                          @89th said in Trump Talk:

                                          I wish you would. There seems to be a general "yup, trump lies LOL" mentality here and it was refreshing to see some actual facts behind a counter argument!

                                          Take the "I cut 25,000 pages of regulations" claim, where he actually increased it by 1,000 pages. Maybe Trump was referring to another register of regulations?

                                          It's getting to the point where people wish not to engage with you, because you want a SCOTUS brief on every ant hill.

                                          Does Trump engage in hyperbole? Of course. Does he sometime make claims exceeding what is happening at the moment? Sure.

                                          Does it bother me? Not usually. All pols BS, it's part of the game. I just try to ascertain what is actually going on and where we are headed.

                                          Trump has a vision of where he wants to go and I agree with a lot of it. He wants jobs and economic prosperity, thinking that a rising tide will lift all boats. That vision drives his views on the Border, his views on trade and tariffs, his views on government efficiency, his views on energy and his views on personal freedom.

                                          You may not agree with his policies. That's fine. But the constant Trump lied! is tedious.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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