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What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #24

    The Empire strikes back. Had to happen

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #25

      What do you do if your “five work-related accomplishments” are supposed to be classified information?

      Will the OPM get many emails about TPS reports?

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #26

        Tulsi Gabbard, the director of the office of national intelligence, ordered all intelligence community officers not to respond, in a message reviewed by The New York Times.

        “Given the inherently sensitive and classified nature of our work, I.C. employees should not respond to the OPM email,” Ms. Gabbard wrote.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #27

          DoD:

          Employees at the Defense Department were also told to not comply with the email.

          “The Department of Defense is responsible for reviewing the performance of its personnel and it will conduct any review in accordance with its own procedures,” Darin S. Selnick, the acting Pentagon official in charge of personnel, said in a statement.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
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            #28

            Musk appears to have gone a bridge too far.

            Looks like the ax might be about to fall on the hatchet man.

            Mixed metaphors intentional.

            Elbows up!

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #29

              Any agency that submits to the demand will now be known as a toothless agency with a weak leader.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • RichR Offline
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                Rich
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                Or, couldn't they just be known as an agency that isn't engaged in national security matters?

                Seems the difference in FBI, DoD, etc, should be clearly distinguishable from Dept of Transportation, or whatever.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  They all have their own internal rules of employee performance review, which is the reasoning being stated by the leaders of the organizations that are pushing back. The request already specifies that no sensitive information should be provided by the employees.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #32

                    Elon doubling down.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • MikM Offline
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                      The question is who you must show it to.

                      Too much of this is for public consumption. "Look what we're DOING for you!".

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        #34

                        In any decently run company, managers will know what their employees are doing without having them send emails justifying their existence.

                        If the manager doesn't know, then he's the one who should be justifying his existence.

                        I was only joking

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #35

                          There's a little too much "slacking federal workers are the enemy" for my tastes.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            There's a little too much "slacking federal workers are the enemy" for my tastes.

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                            @Mik said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                            slacking

                            Slacking used to be expected.

                            "We pretend to work"
                            "And they pretend to pay us"

                            Low wages were paid for slacking, I think slacking pays better now.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              There are different ways of thinking about this. In such a large endeavor, meticulousness can lead to analysis paralysis, and government is much given to that.

                              I'm not sure it would be possible to get a great grasp on understanding the culture of federal employees, certainly not within the timeframe of one four-year term. I do think though that it might be better to just an across the board 5% cut this year, fix what's broken, another 5% next year and so on.

                              A lot of times when large cuts come some things do not continue getting done. very often they are things that don't really need to get done. That's not to say all will be peaches and cream, but here is no way we're going to get spending down painlessly.

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                              @Mik said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                              There are different ways of thinking about this. In such a large endeavor, meticulousness can lead to analysis paralysis, and government is much given to that.

                              I'm not sure it would be possible to get a great grasp on understanding the culture of federal employees, certainly not within the timeframe of one four-year term. I do think though that it might be better to just an across the board 5% cut this year, fix what's broken, another 5% next year and so on.

                              Yeah there is a middle ground to this. I've said this elsewhere. The "move fast and break things" works in iterative software development and makes for good headlines with those outside the government who think most federal workers are just wastes of space... but there is a smarter way to do this that avoids analysis paralysis but also avoids the "oops we just lost the talented folks who help prevent the hacking of our grid, or the people who are watching over our nuke stockpile, or the people helping veterans use their health and education benefits".

                              You are right, IMO that it's better to force cuts (I've said this before even Trump)... let agency leaders (like private industry) find where the fat is and cut it. But the RTO, early retirement 8-months of pay, and "oops we need to re-hire you because you didn't reply to Elon's email), is doing nothing but costing the taxpayer more, in net.

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                In any decently run company, managers will know what their employees are doing without having them send emails justifying their existence.

                                If the manager doesn't know, then he's the one who should be justifying his existence.

                                89th8 Offline
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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                                In any decently run company, managers will know what their employees are doing without having them send emails justifying their existence.

                                If the manager doesn't know, then he's the one who should be justifying his existence.

                                LOL ain't that the truth

                                And federal agencies generally know too, but are often not allowed to reduce staff or fire people. One good thing Trump did in his first term was remove some of the red tape needed to fire a bad employee. I think that was Schedule F, but not sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schedule_F_appointment

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #39

                                  Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                  President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                    President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    @jon-nyc said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                                    Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                    President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

                                    I wonder if Trump got an email

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      @jon-nyc said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                                      Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                      President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

                                      I wonder if Trump got an email

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #41

                                      @Doctor-Phibes

                                      😂

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                        President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        #42

                                        @jon-nyc said in What did you get done last week? Elon wants to know...:

                                        Trump weighs in to clear up any confusion.

                                        President Trump said on Monday that Mr. Musk’s email demanding that federal workers justify their jobs was “ingenious” and “great” and repeated Mr. Musk’s written warning: “If you don’t answer, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired.”

                                        Much clearer.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #43

                                          I just replied to the email NS posted:

                                          My answer to Elon:

                                          1. Your mom
                                          2. Your mom
                                          3. Your mom
                                          4. A nap
                                          5. Your mom

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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