Department of Education
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Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
@Jolly said in Department of Education:
Big whoop.
Overall, it's about 10%. Keep the money in block grants, kill a lot of the rules which result in an army of paper shufflers at the local and state level, set some national goals and get out of the way.
Completely agree. Get the federal tentacles out of the schools. Federal money is very much like the pusher giving you enough free dope to get you addicted. then the price goes up.
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Here’s the deal. You want education to improve? Have 50 departments trying different things rather than 1 dictating for everybody.
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No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
@Jolly said in Department of Education:
No Child Left Behind.
Sadly, some children aren't of normal intelligence. Inclusion slows things down.
At least around here, I believe it led to a number of kids getting designated as being special needs. Whether it was 'developmental delays' or thrown under the 'autism spectrum' umbrella, it was a way for school systems to not get penalized for having kids not hitting certain achievements.
So a kid who was borderline could end up spending half (or more) of his day in a room with students who were non-verbal. Instead of that kid getting the work needed to catch up to peers--they'd now have their own IEP, that would frequently take them down a few notches from their potential. Unless there were a couple very involved parents.
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The Department of Education does not run a single school. It does not employ any teachers in a single classroom. It doesn’t set academic standards or curriculum. It isn’t even the primary funder of education—quite the opposite. In most states, the federal government represents less than 10 percent of K–12 public education funding.
So what does it do? It shuffles money around; adds unnecessary requirements and political agendas via its grants; and then passes the buck when it comes time to assess if any of that adds value.
Trump will add unnecessary requirements reflecting a different political agenda would be my guess.
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Looks like the department's closure is imminent. What's funny is how common the search right now "what does the Dept of Education actually do?", which should tell you something about the department...
Maybe the government should just be involved in facilitating an annual "state education department" conference where states share what is working well, compare scores, and provide advice for other states with new ideas.
I also hope special needs students aren't hurt (maybe they are helped?) by this. Sure would be nice if Trump signed an EO specifically to support Americans with special needs... medicine (Medicaid), housing, and education. Obviously I'm biased because of my sister, but they are some of the most vulnerable citizens who through no fault of their own or their parents (most of the time) were dealt a really bad hand at life.
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has anyone given thought to what is said on the streets as to why Republicans want to abolish the DOE? To keep the American public less educated and more prone to believe the constant propaganda that they receive everyday?
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The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity. Excellence stems from smaller organizations being able to innovate without the constraining tentacles of federal and often state money. Shut the DOE down.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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has anyone given thought to what is said on the streets as to why Republicans want to abolish the DOE? To keep the American public less educated and more prone to believe the constant propaganda that they receive everyday?
@NobodySock said in Department of Education:
has anyone given thought to what is said on the streets as to why Republicans want to abolish the DOE? To keep the American public less educated and more prone to believe the constant propaganda that they receive everyday?
word on the street is that formal education is dominated by purveyors of progressive propaganda and bad educational ideas in general. Word on the street is that the word on the street has more than a grain of truth to it.
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The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity. Excellence stems from smaller organizations being able to innovate without the constraining tentacles of federal and often state money. Shut the DOE down.
@Mik said in Department of Education:
The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity.
From what little I know, the DOE does not set any standards or set any guidelines for schools. The states (and US schools) are still the ones that set acheivement tests, etc. They mainly distribute federal money. I may be wrong on that.
Based on that, I could see the money distribution being done by a department within another organization.
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@NobodySock said in Department of Education:
has anyone given thought to what is said on the streets as to why Republicans want to abolish the DOE? To keep the American public less educated and more prone to believe the constant propaganda that they receive everyday?
word on the street is that formal education is dominated by purveyors of progressive propaganda and bad educational ideas in general. Word on the street is that the word on the street has more than a grain of truth to it.
@Horace said in Department of Education:
@NobodySock said in Department of Education:
has anyone given thought to what is said on the streets as to why Republicans want to abolish the DOE? To keep the American public less educated and more prone to believe the constant propaganda that they receive everyday?
word on the street is that formal education is dominated by purveyors of progressive propaganda and bad educational ideas in general. Word on the street is that the word on the street has more than a grain of truth to it.
Lol! Word!
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@Mik said in Department of Education:
The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity.
From what little I know, the DOE does not set any standards or set any guidelines for schools. The states (and US schools) are still the ones that set acheivement tests, etc. They mainly distribute federal money. I may be wrong on that.
Based on that, I could see the money distribution being done by a department within another organization.
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
@Mik said in Department of Education:
The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity.
From what little I know, the DOE does not set any standards or set any guidelines for schools. The states (and US schools) are still the ones that set acheivement tests, etc. They mainly distribute federal money. I may be wrong on that.
Based on that, I could see the money distribution being done by a department within another organization.
Yep. You’re wrong.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity. Excellence stems from smaller organizations being able to innovate without the constraining tentacles of federal and often state money. Shut the DOE down.
@Mik said in Department of Education:
The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity. Excellence stems from smaller organizations being able to innovate without the constraining tentacles of federal and often state money. Shut the DOE down.
In this country there has never been a federal Ministry of Education. Constitutionally, education is under the exclusive jurisdiction of each province and territory in the Confederation. As such, the federal government cannot earmark any portions of its transfer payments to the provinces and territories for the purpose of education.
The system works partly because all the provinces and territories work together in ensuring that education curriculum across the country is more or less standardised to meet agreed to outcomes and objectives. Thus enabling students to advance into post secondary education institutions of their choosing in any province on an equal footing. That even includes Quebec where French language skills may determine prerequisite qualifications for enrollment.
I should hope that in the US the individual states can achieve similar country wide harmonisation in the absence of federal oversight and direct funding.
Good luck.
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@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
@Mik said in Department of Education:
The best one can expect from federally controlled education is a uniform mediocrity.
From what little I know, the DOE does not set any standards or set any guidelines for schools. The states (and US schools) are still the ones that set acheivement tests, etc. They mainly distribute federal money. I may be wrong on that.
Based on that, I could see the money distribution being done by a department within another organization.
Yep. You’re wrong.
@Mik said in Department of Education:
Yep. You’re wrong.
from DOE website
It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.
I am actually curious since this is all in the news. What is the role of DOE in setting standards and cirriculum?
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@Mik said in Department of Education:
Yep. You’re wrong.
from DOE website
It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.
I am actually curious since this is all in the news. What is the role of DOE in setting standards and cirriculum?
@taiwan_girl said in Department of Education:
@Mik said in Department of Education:
Yep. You’re wrong.
from DOE website
It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.
I am actually curious since this is all in the news. What is the role of DOE in setting standards and cirriculum?
The states set standards and curriculum, but those are heavily influenced by federal policies and strings attached to federal funds.
As evidenced by a decades long downard trend in test scores, the American taxpayer ain't getting much for their money.
OTOH, state grants propped up by federal money can make a difference. Louisiana just moved multiple spots up in education rankings using just such monies to fund a multi-parish program. It's not earth-shattering...They are using an outside contractor for teacher training. The contractor has done something very smart...Because of what they are paying, they're getting the pick of the litter in Louisiana public school teachers.
Using proven techniques, these teacher's teachers are striving for more effective classroom time and more uniformity in approach, with a very local approach.
It's obviously working.
