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  • 89th8 Offline
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    Always makes me pause just a tad more once you put real faces and names to the victims. I haven’t read the details, was she actually flying? The voice who said they have visual separation from the CRJ was male.

    There are some good examples on YouTube of what the helicopter and plane pilots actually saw, which is to say both had blinds spots (more for the plane) at the angles they hit, it really seems as simple as the helo was looking at the wrong jet. And I’d imagine this will result in much stricter helicopter path restrictions as well as stricter standards from the tower other than “see that plane? Yeah go behind it”, which has worked for decades…until it didn’t.

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    • 89th8 89th

      Always makes me pause just a tad more once you put real faces and names to the victims. I haven’t read the details, was she actually flying? The voice who said they have visual separation from the CRJ was male.

      There are some good examples on YouTube of what the helicopter and plane pilots actually saw, which is to say both had blinds spots (more for the plane) at the angles they hit, it really seems as simple as the helo was looking at the wrong jet. And I’d imagine this will result in much stricter helicopter path restrictions as well as stricter standards from the tower other than “see that plane? Yeah go behind it”, which has worked for decades…until it didn’t.

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      LuFins Dad
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      @89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

      Always makes me pause just a tad more once you put real faces and names to the victims. I haven’t read the details, was she actually flying? The voice who said they have visual separation from the CRJ was male.

      There are some good examples on YouTube of what the helicopter and plane pilots actually saw, which is to say both had blinds spots (more for the plane) at the angles they hit, it really seems as simple as the helo was looking at the wrong jet. And I’d imagine this will result in much stricter helicopter path restrictions as well as stricter standards from the tower other than “see that plane? Yeah go behind it”, which has worked for decades…until it didn’t.

      It would have been the crew chief on the radio, not the pilot.

      The Brad

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #173

        She was a Whitehouse aide. I wonder how much recent flying time she had? I'm no pilot, but it seems like flying around that particular airport would require a pilot with honed skills.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #174

          She had 500 hours flight time according to this guy. He considers that very low for that type of flying in that corridor at night.

          Link to video

          Education is extremely important.

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          • kluursK Offline
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            #175

            There were 3 pilots, but do we know who was in the lead seat at the time?

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            • kluursK kluurs

              There were 3 pilots, but do we know who was in the lead seat at the time?

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              LuFins Dad
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              @kluurs said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

              There were 3 pilots, but do we know who was in the lead seat at the time?

              We know it was a training flight. We know that she was the trainee. We know that a lot of emphasis and blame was being put on whoever had the stick of the helicopter, and we know the family had requested her name not be revealed at first. There were reports for the past 2 days that it was a woman at the controls….

              And also, I’m not sure, but I don’t believe that helicopters have duplicated controls like a plane. I think there’s only 1 set, which would make it extremely unlikely that she wouldn’t be piloting the craft.

              That being said, I don’t think any one person has the preponderance of the blame, here.

              The Brad

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              • CopperC Offline
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                #177

                Virginia transgender National Guard pilot falsely targeted
                ‘Proof of life’ video posted after fatal DC-area crash

                By Stuart A. Thompson The New York Times
                Jo Ellis, a helicopter pilot in the Virginia Army National Guard, was falsely identified as the captain of the crashed Black Hawk helicopter in thousands of social media posts last week. The flurry of falsehoods were so extreme that Ellis, who is transgender, posted a “proof of life” video to Facebook clarifying that she is alive and had not flown the crashed chopper.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  The race to use this as political fodder is disgusting.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #179

                    More on the DEI stuff...

                    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/02/sean-duffy-schools-tapper-about-the-importance-of-safety-over-dei-n4936602

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #180

                      The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                      Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                        Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                        The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                        Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                        People STFU?

                        Stand at the water's edge and scream at the tide...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                          The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                          Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                          People STFU?

                          Stand at the water's edge and scream at the tide...

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          @Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                          The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                          Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                          People STFU?

                          Stand at the water's edge and scream at the tide...

                          Well, I actually meant people in positions of authority.

                          As far as shouting at the sea goes, the Britons had King Cnut, now apparently we've got his anagram.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                            Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                            89th8 Offline
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #183

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                            The inability of people to STFU and wait for some level of actual evidence to emerge is really quite disheartening.

                            Of course, the Commander in Chief has the impulse control of a 9 year old who's just raided his dad's stash of steroids, which really doesn't help.

                            Well said. If he could just stop taking about topics he’s not informed on and/or added just a little humility and grace, he’d win so many people over.

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              #184

                              Some details about historic DEI hiring practices, the class action lawsuits that followed, and their lingering effects on the quality and quantity of air traffic controllers:

                              There were some nuts peak-DEI things happening. 84% of applicants were discarded, regardless of qualification, if they did not "pass" a biographical questionnaire designed to target black people, and with astonishing amounts of embedded racist assumptions. One of the questions, for instance, was whether you did poorly in science class in high school. If you did, you got points. There's more.

                              Link to video

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                                #185

                                Aww, damn. I just found out one of our students was one of the figure skaters to die in the frigging crash. He’s been coming in on
                                Sundays for 13 years. His parents wouldn’t come in, just drop him off. He’d wait for them to pick him up and were always late. So he’d sit and play video game music until they showed up. They died, too. FFS.

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/dc-plane-crash-skater-family.html

                                The Brad

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                                • 89th8 Offline
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                                  89th
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #186

                                  Ugh man, sorry to hear.

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                                  • RichR Offline
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                                    Rich
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                                    #187

                                    wow

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                                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #188

                                      Ugh.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Airline pilots received more than 100 cockpit warnings over the past decade that they were in danger of a midair collision with a helicopter near Reagan National Airport, according to flight-tracking and government incident data, a record of repeated risks compiled by air traffic controllers before the Jan. 29 crash that killed 67 people.

                                        and

                                        Each of the incidents reviewed by The Post triggered an automated cockpit warning advising airliner pilots to take action to avoid a collision — causing them in many cases to abort landings or change flight paths.

                                        Air traffic controllers have raised concerns to managers within the FAA in the past decade — including in writing, according to two people familiar with operations at National Airport and correspondence reviewed by The Post.

                                        In 2020, controllers outlined the challenges, according to the correspondence: Helicopters could be told to wait for airline traffic to pass, potentially affecting national security and police work. Changing the helicopter corridors along the river could draw noise complaints, a perennial issue around Washington. Taking no action would mean airliners would need to abort landings and conduct “go-rounds” to avoid potential collisions.

                                        One proposal in recent years involved shifting a helicopter route that follows the Potomac River inland to Interstate 295, the people said. That would put it farther from the approach to National Airport’s Runway 33. The route was not changed: The current description for Route 4, the path flown by the Black Hawk helicopter involved in the collision last month, is word-for-word the same as it was in 2012.

                                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/13/dca-airport-crash-warnings-helicopters-airliner/

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          Airline pilots received more than 100 cockpit warnings over the past decade that they were in danger of a midair collision with a helicopter near Reagan National Airport, according to flight-tracking and government incident data, a record of repeated risks compiled by air traffic controllers before the Jan. 29 crash that killed 67 people.

                                          and

                                          Each of the incidents reviewed by The Post triggered an automated cockpit warning advising airliner pilots to take action to avoid a collision — causing them in many cases to abort landings or change flight paths.

                                          Air traffic controllers have raised concerns to managers within the FAA in the past decade — including in writing, according to two people familiar with operations at National Airport and correspondence reviewed by The Post.

                                          In 2020, controllers outlined the challenges, according to the correspondence: Helicopters could be told to wait for airline traffic to pass, potentially affecting national security and police work. Changing the helicopter corridors along the river could draw noise complaints, a perennial issue around Washington. Taking no action would mean airliners would need to abort landings and conduct “go-rounds” to avoid potential collisions.

                                          One proposal in recent years involved shifting a helicopter route that follows the Potomac River inland to Interstate 295, the people said. That would put it farther from the approach to National Airport’s Runway 33. The route was not changed: The current description for Route 4, the path flown by the Black Hawk helicopter involved in the collision last month, is word-for-word the same as it was in 2012.

                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/13/dca-airport-crash-warnings-helicopters-airliner/

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                                          @taiwan_girl said in Helicopter Crash in DC:

                                          more than 100 cockpit warnings over the past decade that they were in danger of a midair collision

                                          That is a busy weekend at a General Aviation airport.

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