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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.

    Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.

    However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.

    Personally, I don’t think he’s clearing confirmation. And I agree with @jon-nyc that some of his anti-vax rhetoric has serious implications, even if no official actions are taken. But I also think it’s an issue whether he’s approved or not. The multitude of lies put out by public health has a lot of people not taking things at face value anymore.

    There is overwhelming scientific evidence that says vaccines are safe. Great, says the skeptic… That overwhelming scientific evidence is being provided by the same groups that said 15 Days to Flatten the Curve, and told us that masks were ineffective…, then said they were, then not really, then told us to not step into public without one. The same public health and scientific researchers that said COVID was absolutely not a lab leak and obviously came from pangolins in a wet market. They told us the vax would prevent spread and we wouldn’t get sick. Then changed to we’ll get a little sick, but won’t spread. Then, yeah, you can still spread but Natural Immunity doesn’t exist, so what else are you going to do? Oh wait, Natural Immunity doesn’t exist work pretty equivalently to the vax, but the vaccine is safer… Unless you’re a kid. Or a teen. Or a young adult…

    I can excuse those people for looking at the huge piles of scientific evidence about the safety of vaccines and being a little skeptical.

    Now do the polio vaccine.

    Which one?

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    @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

    I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.

    Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.

    However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.

    Personally, I don’t think he’s clearing confirmation. And I agree with @jon-nyc that some of his anti-vax rhetoric has serious implications, even if no official actions are taken. But I also think it’s an issue whether he’s approved or not. The multitude of lies put out by public health has a lot of people not taking things at face value anymore.

    There is overwhelming scientific evidence that says vaccines are safe. Great, says the skeptic… That overwhelming scientific evidence is being provided by the same groups that said 15 Days to Flatten the Curve, and told us that masks were ineffective…, then said they were, then not really, then told us to not step into public without one. The same public health and scientific researchers that said COVID was absolutely not a lab leak and obviously came from pangolins in a wet market. They told us the vax would prevent spread and we wouldn’t get sick. Then changed to we’ll get a little sick, but won’t spread. Then, yeah, you can still spread but Natural Immunity doesn’t exist, so what else are you going to do? Oh wait, Natural Immunity doesn’t exist work pretty equivalently to the vax, but the vaccine is safer… Unless you’re a kid. Or a teen. Or a young adult…

    I can excuse those people for looking at the huge piles of scientific evidence about the safety of vaccines and being a little skeptical.

    Now do the polio vaccine.

    Which one?

    My point is it's not just the Covid vaccine he doesn't like.

    Meanwhile, infant mortality is at an all time low. Let's not try and fix that, eh?

    I was only joking

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

      I hope so too, assuming he's confirmed.

      I doubt he is. The head golf the committee is a physician with serious questions about Juniors views.

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      @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

      @jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

      I hope so too, assuming he's confirmed.

      I doubt he is. The head golf the committee is a physician with serious questions about Juniors views.

      Cassidy. Very skeptical. There’s actually two committees of jurisdiction, the other is the Senate Finance Committee who’s head, Mike Crapo, is not a physician but his brother is.

      I think the Turtle, Murkowski, and Collins will be no votes if there’s a fourth to make it stick.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

        I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.

        Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.

        However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.

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        @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

        @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

        I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.

        Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.

        However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.

        What RFK jr. is most authoritative and actually very lucid in his thinking is on water conservation and management. The Trump regime of course, won’t let him anywhere near that and have in fact effectively muzzled him on the sidelines.

        But as I have already stated RFK Jr. is not an optimal choice for portfolio to which he has been now confirmed. I am certain that he will prove to be just another of many distractions in the Trumpian sown chaos before us.

        Elbows up!

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          To clarify, he hasn’t been confirmed yet. I’m not sure when the votes happen.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            @jon-nyc

            My mistake, I thought he received the green light late yesterday afternoon.

            Anyway the point of my post remains as is.

            Elbows up!

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

              @jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

              I hope so too, assuming he's confirmed.

              I doubt he is. The head golf the committee is a physician with serious questions about Juniors views.

              Cassidy. Very skeptical. There’s actually two committees of jurisdiction, the other is the Senate Finance Committee who’s head, Mike Crapo, is not a physician but his brother is.

              I think the Turtle, Murkowski, and Collins will be no votes if there’s a fourth to make it stick.

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              Cassidy is a doc, of course.

              But if he votes down RFK, I'll lay money he will not be running for reelection.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                He faces an uphill battle anyway for voting to convict Trump. Todays GOP is no place for a politician who puts principles above loyalty to Trump.

                The interesting thing is he was practically begging RFK to renounce the autism claim so he could vote for him. Kennedy wouldn’t.

                I won’t be remotely surprised if he is a no vote. But he’ll be yes out of committee.

                And I agree that the decision not to back RFK will be the decision not to seek reelection.

                But careful what you wish for, once he decides he’s not running for reelection he can vote his conscience from here on out.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  His nickname among the harder right folks down here is Psycho Bill...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    His nickname among the harder right folks down here is Psycho Bill...

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                    @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                    His nickname among the harder right folks down here is Psycho Bill...

                    I hate to think what they must call RFK

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                      His nickname among the harder right folks down here is Psycho Bill...

                      I hate to think what they must call RFK

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                      @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                      His nickname among the harder right folks down here is Psycho Bill...

                      I hate to think what they must call RFK

                      Mr. Secretary?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                        Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.

                        No, many of us still think he’s nuts and possibly dangerous. I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation. I mean, why the heck are they using dyes in ibuprofen, Benadryl, etc?

                        I think he's wrong in some of his views. Trump has already assured people he had a long talk with RFK on vaccines before nominating him. He's been told hands off, particularly in regard to the older, standard childhood vaccines.

                        OTOH, RFK has some views I agree with on sugar content, high fructose corn syrup, dyes in our food and medicine, population obesity and the cost of drugs in the U.S. vs. the rest of the world.

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                        @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                        RFK has some views I agree with on .....population obesity '

                        Maybe I am mistaken but wasnt there a lot of "pushback" from the Republic's against Michelle Obama when she started a campaign to make school lunches healthier? 🤔

                        https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-school-lunch-program-michelle-obama-republican-support-2023737

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                          RFK has some views I agree with on .....population obesity '

                          Maybe I am mistaken but wasnt there a lot of "pushback" from the Republic's against Michelle Obama when she started a campaign to make school lunches healthier? 🤔

                          https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-school-lunch-program-michelle-obama-republican-support-2023737

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                          @taiwan_girl said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                          @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                          RFK has some views I agree with on .....population obesity '

                          Maybe I am mistaken but wasnt there a lot of "pushback" from the Republic's against Michelle Obama when she started a campaign to make school lunches healthier? 🤔

                          https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-school-lunch-program-michelle-obama-republican-support-2023737

                          Lunch in the trash can is not a good use of tax dollars.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                            RFK has some views I agree with on .....population obesity '

                            Maybe I am mistaken but wasnt there a lot of "pushback" from the Republic's against Michelle Obama when she started a campaign to make school lunches healthier? 🤔

                            https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-school-lunch-program-michelle-obama-republican-support-2023737

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                            @taiwan_girl

                            Yeah 4 pieces of broccoli was nanny state paternalism but wholesale reconfiguration of the food and beverage industry is America First. If you don’t get the difference it’s your deep state programming showing through.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Oh, and don’t point out that the uber-processed sodium bomb Michelle wanted to replace wouldn’t survive RFKs purge either. That could be considered a microaggression

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @taiwan_girl

                                Yeah 4 pieces of broccoli was nanny state paternalism but wholesale reconfiguration of the food and beverage industry is America First. If you don’t get the difference it’s your deep state programming showing through.

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                                @jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:

                                wholesale reconfiguration of the food and beverage industry is America First.

                                Cite for this policy ambition?

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  He hasn’t any policies yet, just goals.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    You think your average Trump supporter will get “healthy again” by banning FD&C yellow #5?

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      He hasn’t any policies yet, just goals.

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                                      @jon-nyc Your claims about his goals could use a cite, if you would like to make a distinction between "policy ambition" (my words) and "goals" (your word).

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        He calls processed food poison, and he wants us to stop eating poison.

                                        Again he hasn’t talked about methods.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          He calls processed food poison, and he wants us to stop eating poison.

                                          Again he hasn’t talked about methods.

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                                          @jon-nyc He's also said that if people want to eat badly, they should be allowed to. You are finding your truths in a curated subset of his words, and extrapolating from them beyond anything he's ever said.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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