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The Hegseth "incident."

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Hegseth at least was in the service and has spent time thinking about it.

    She wasn’t in intelligence in the military, wasn’t on any intelligence committees, and she herself isn’t intelligent. She hasn’t even smelled experience from a distance.

    And then her fondness for Kremlin talking points….

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    #126

    @jon-nyc

    And then her fondness for Kremlin talking points….

    …I’m sure that’s an oblique reference to the onion domes adorning the many churches in the Kremlin itself.

    Elbows up!

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      #127

      Frankly, I thought he looked pretty good from what I saw, and the Dems on the committee came across as petulant brats. Oh, and the onlookers that were removed? LMFAO!

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        Frankly, I thought he looked pretty good from what I saw, and the Dems on the committee came across as petulant brats. Oh, and the onlookers that were removed? LMFAO!

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        #128

        @LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":

        I thought he looked pretty good from what I saw

        I've expressed my skepticism of his nomination.

        the Dems on the committee came across as petulant brats

        And he was able to explain what a jag off is.

        ETA: MAJOR props to Hegseth for keeping his cool when asked that question.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #129

          By the way, despite what you think, Jagoff has nothing to do with the general perception of the term. It’s derived from Scots/Irish and simply means a jerk or idiot that likes to provoke. “He’s just jagging you…”

          The Brad

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          • George KG Offline
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            #130

            Well, that settles it.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              #131

              Isn't adultery in the US military grounds for dismissal? Just curious.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                Isn't adultery in the US military grounds for dismissal? Just curious.

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                #132

                @taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                Isn't adultery in the US military grounds for dismissal? Just curious.

                Don't know.

                He wasn't a soldier when it happened, tho.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  #133

                  Hegseth, a 44-year-old Army National Guard veteran and former Fox News Channel weekend host, has acknowledged having multiple extramarital affairs — which occurred while he was in the military, according to divorce records — and has said he told his troops to ignore commands about when to fire on potential enemies. Both violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice and can get troops court-martialed and dishonorably discharged.

                  https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/01/13/hegseth-could-lead-troops-whod-face-getting-fired-actions-hes-done-past.html

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Hegseth, a 44-year-old Army National Guard veteran and former Fox News Channel weekend host, has acknowledged having multiple extramarital affairs — which occurred while he was in the military, according to divorce records — and has said he told his troops to ignore commands about when to fire on potential enemies. Both violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice and can get troops court-martialed and dishonorably discharged.

                    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/01/13/hegseth-could-lead-troops-whod-face-getting-fired-actions-hes-done-past.html

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                    @taiwan_girl thanks. I wasn't aware of the timing.

                    Descending into "But Mom, he did it too" territory, if the military sent every philandering soldier to a court martial, we'd have to reinstitute the draft.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      And the fact that he wasn’t reprimanded for countermanding the orders on when to open fire is very telling. It shows that some superior thought he was correct to do so.

                      The Brad

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                        #136

                        Gillibrand doesn’t find this to be an insult to women:
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                        So she’s kind of lost credibility on what is and isn’t an insult to women.

                        The Brad

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                          #137

                          Link to video

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            Gillibrand doesn’t find this to be an insult to women:
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                            So she’s kind of lost credibility on what is and isn’t an insult to women.

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":

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                            I will never ever ever ever understand how groupthink on the left made this even remotely acceptable.

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                              #139

                              Joni Ernst is on board. Collins and Murkowski are undecided, but with Ernst declaring support, it’s likely enough to push them over.

                              The Brad

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  I'm a bit more concern that Hegseth didn't know what ASEAN is or what countries are included.

                                  That should be SecDef 101 stuff.

                                  I'm guessing he will be confirmed, but this confirmation hearing is playing out as expected... both sides cheerleading or criticizing him with some clear gaps in knowledge and decision making maturity.

                                  Article:

                                  https://www.yahoo.com/news/asean-stumped-hegseth-senate-hearing-080133857.html

                                  Link to video

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    I'm a bit more concern that Hegseth didn't know what ASEAN is or what countries are included.

                                    That should be SecDef 101 stuff.

                                    I'm guessing he will be confirmed, but this confirmation hearing is playing out as expected... both sides cheerleading or criticizing him with some clear gaps in knowledge and decision making maturity.

                                    Article:

                                    https://www.yahoo.com/news/asean-stumped-hegseth-senate-hearing-080133857.html

                                    Link to video

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                                    @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                    I'm a bit more concern that Hegseth didn't know what ASEAN is or what countries are included.

                                    That should be SecDef 101 stuff.

                                    Yeah. I thought of that as his "Aleppo" moment. Can you imagine Sen. Kennedy grilling someone on that?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

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                                      @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                      Thank you, New Yorker.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                        I'm a bit more concern that Hegseth didn't know what ASEAN is or what countries are included.

                                        That should be SecDef 101 stuff.

                                        Yeah. I thought of that as his "Aleppo" moment. Can you imagine Sen. Kennedy grilling someone on that?

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                                        @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                        @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                        I'm a bit more concern that Hegseth didn't know what ASEAN is or what countries are included.

                                        That should be SecDef 101 stuff.

                                        Yeah. I thought of that as his "Aleppo" moment. Can you imagine Sen. Kennedy grilling someone on that?

                                        That's his Achilles heel.

                                        I think he's going to be very good at rank and file issues...Recruiting problems, cost plus contracts, base housing, pay grades, etc. On the big organizational stuff, not so much.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          @George-K @LuFins-Dad

                                          I somewhat agree. If someone in the military is going to be discharged for an adultery, there are usually other problems that that person has.

                                          I dont think we know if he was reprimanded or not for disobeying an order to engage the enemy.

                                          But, both of those are still against the Uniform Code of Conduct. The whole basis of the military in the US, even more than in other jobs in government or the private side, is that a soldier IS held to a higher standard and that it is necessary to follow the rules and orders without hesitation, weather or not you agree with them or not. As far as I know in the military, when a "superior officer" gives an order, it is not a negotiation.

                                          That concerns me. Kind like the broken window policing. "Yeah, he had adultery a few times. Ah, lots of people do it. Yeah, he disobeyed some orders. Ah, he's not the only one. He still okay to lead the organization and have to judge people who get called out for the same 'infractions'. "

                                          Why have rules then? It was said in this thread or another thread, but if he is willing to break rules like this, is there not the potential for other rules to be broken?

                                          (but my biggest concern is still that he is not qualified. Leading a group of 100 soldiers is way way way different from leading an organization with 3MM people and USD$billions of dollars of budget)

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