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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #10

    Here state law allows the township to charge 10 mils for operations. Anything over that must be approved by the voters in the form of a levy, as schools must be. I see your point, but I consider public schools to be a service that benefits me both in terms of an educated population and increased property value.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

      Property tax? If I don't pay for the services I receive, someone else has to.

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      LuFins Dad
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      @Mik said in Property Taxes?:

      No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

      Compounding the issue is that it is essentially a forced loan to the Government with a payback that doesn’t begin for 30-40 years, and at a rate of 2%…

      Social Security really is an abomination from a civics perspective.

      The Brad

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        @Mik said in Property Taxes?:

        No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

        Compounding the issue is that it is essentially a forced loan to the Government with a payback that doesn’t begin for 30-40 years, and at a rate of 2%…

        Social Security really is an abomination from a civics perspective.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        @LuFins-Dad said in Property Taxes?:

        @Mik said in Property Taxes?:

        No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

        Compounding the issue is that it is essentially a forced loan to the Government with a payback that doesn’t begin for 30-40 years, and at a rate of 2%…

        Social Security really is an abomination from a civics perspective.

        They would be much better off enforcing a requirement for people to pay a percentage of their salary into a 401K, although I guess the practicality of enforcing such a law would essentially make it impossible.

        I was only joking

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          I wonder if the SALT deduction cap will go away with the Trump tax hike this year.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            @LuFins-Dad said in Property Taxes?:

            @Mik said in Property Taxes?:

            No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

            Compounding the issue is that it is essentially a forced loan to the Government with a payback that doesn’t begin for 30-40 years, and at a rate of 2%…

            Social Security really is an abomination from a civics perspective.

            They would be much better off enforcing a requirement for people to pay a percentage of their salary into a 401K, although I guess the practicality of enforcing such a law would essentially make it impossible.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            @Doctor-Phibes said in Property Taxes?:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Property Taxes?:

            @Mik said in Property Taxes?:

            No free lunch. I do support retirees not paying taxes on Social Security ever. I pay it now because of consulting on the side. I don't mind paying on earned income, but SS was already taxes to begin with.

            Compounding the issue is that it is essentially a forced loan to the Government with a payback that doesn’t begin for 30-40 years, and at a rate of 2%…

            Social Security really is an abomination from a civics perspective.

            They would be much better off enforcing a requirement for people to pay a percentage of their salary into a 401K, although I guess the practicality of enforcing such a law would essentially make it impossible.

            You still have the task and obligation of paying off the preexisting low interest loans.

            The Brad

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Y'all are all wrong.
              The correct answer is to tax the rich to pay for everything.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                Y'all are all wrong.
                The correct answer is to tax the rich to pay for everything.

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                @Axtremus said in Property Taxes?:

                The correct answer is to tax the rich to pay for everything.

                They already do.

                Define "rich."

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Axtremus said in Property Taxes?:

                  The correct answer is to tax the rich to pay for everything.

                  They already do.

                  Define "rich."

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                  @George-K said in Property Taxes?:

                  Define "rich."

                  Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @George-K said in Property Taxes?:

                    Define "rich."

                    Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

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                    @Axtremus said in Property Taxes?:

                    Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

                    That's a variant of "An alcoholic is someone (whom I don't like) who drinks more than I do."

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
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                      #19

                      Right now I pay $521/month for our principal residence and $180/month in property taxes for the 1 acre vacant lot on Lake Okanagan that we may or may not build on and move to in five or so years. That vacant lot has gone through the roof in assessed value last four years. When we bought it 2016 it was around $65/month. As they say, location, location, location. Since then too many NHL players have bought into the subdivision and built their “summer cottages”.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Axtremus said in Property Taxes?:

                        Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

                        That's a variant of "An alcoholic is someone (whom I don't like) who drinks more than I do."

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                        @George-K exactly.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @George-K said in Property Taxes?:

                          Define "rich."

                          Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

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                          @Axtremus said in Property Taxes?:

                          @George-K said in Property Taxes?:

                          Define "rich."

                          Anyone who has or makes more money than I.

                          Not sure how much you make but the top 10% (income over $150k) pay about 75% of all income taxes. On the other side, the bottom 50% pay about 3% of all income taxes. Of course that bottom 50% also consumes most of the tax-based benefits from the government.

                          But we’re talking property taxes, so that’s another story. Probably a similar thesis though.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #22

                            I don’t think there is quite the spread between property values as there is in income.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              89th
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                              Maybe. Those paying property taxes are those who own, not rent (or are houses for free).

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                                Renauda
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                                Can US residents write off their property taxes on the annual income tax returns? We cannot. Nor can we write off the annual interest paid on principal residence mortgages.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • 89th8 Offline
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                                  Yes if you don’t use the standard deduction.

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    Can US residents write off their property taxes on the annual income tax returns? We cannot. Nor can we write off the annual interest paid on principal residence mortgages.

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                                    George K
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                                    @Renauda said in Property Taxes?:

                                    Can US residents write off their property taxes on the annual income tax returns? We cannot. Nor can we write off the annual interest paid on principal residence mortgages.

                                    Yes, but, in addition your other deductions have to exceed the standard deduction.

                                    And...

                                    You're limited to $10K of tax deductibility.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      This subject has @jon-nyc feeling SALT-Y

                                      The Brad

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                                        Yeah. It's funny how he said he wants to remove the SALT cap, at least that was his message in Long Island. But I'm sure that, like tips, social security, and overtime, the Long Island folks who voted for him for that will just be yet more unsecured creditors holding the broken-promise bag.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          Maybe. Those paying property taxes are those who own, not rent (or are houses for free).

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                                          @89th said in Property Taxes?:

                                          Maybe. Those paying property taxes are those who own, not rent (or are houses for free).

                                          Property owners factor in property taxes when setting rent.
                                          Renters pay property taxes too, just indirectly through property owners.

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