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Mr. Clemency

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  • MikM Mik

    @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

    Also...I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the desire to commute a death sentence.

    It should be done on an individual, not a carte blanche basis.

    This. It’s just circumventing rather than adhering to the law. And I’m a death penalty opponent.

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    George K
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    @Mik said in Mr. Clemency:

    just circumventing rather than adhering to the law.

    A long-standing tradition in the last two Democratic administrations. I"m not surprised, not even disappointed.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:

      Pardons overall should be eliminated.

      Constitutional amendment.

      Good luck.

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      Renauda
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      #63

      @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

      @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:

      Pardons overall should be eliminated.

      Constitutional amendment.

      Good luck

      A hand me down remnant of royal privilege from the much maligned right of kings era.

      Elbows up!

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        George K
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        #64

        https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/12/23/fact-sheet-president-biden-commutes-the-sentences-of-37-individuals-on-death-row/

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
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            #66

            "But guided by my conscience and my experience as a public defender, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Vice President, and now President, I am more convinced than ever that we must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level. In good conscience, I cannot stand back and let a new administration resume executions that I halted."

            Among those receiving the holiday cheer is Thomas Sanders, who in 2010 kidnapped and then shot 12-year-Lexis Roberts four times and cut her throat in Louisiana — days after the girl watched as Sanders murdered her mother on a road trip near the Grand Canyon.

            Christmas also came early for Anthony Battle, who murdered an Atlanta prison guard with a hammer in 1994 while serving a life sentence for raping and murdering his wife, a US Marine, in 1987 at Camp Lejeune, NC.

            Jorge Avila-Torrez sexually assaulted and stabbed to death two girls — Laura Hobbs, 8, and Krystal Tobias, 9 — who had been riding their bicycles in their neighborhood in a suburb north of Chicago in 2005.

            Four years later, he strangled naval officer Amanda Snell, 20, inside her barrack in Arlington, Va.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

            Guess who authored the Senate version of this bill.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Jesus. He’s not the president anyway. But it gives you a more complete window into what we might have expected from another Democratic administration.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                I doubt that Mr. Biden even knows this was done.

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                  I remember that case well. Sanders killed her about 35 miles from my house. The trial was held in the federal courthouse closest to me.

                  Sanders shot Lexis four times and cut her throat when she didn't die fast enough. Then he threw her body into the woods to rot.

                  Her remains had to be identified by dental records.

                  I don't know if he's in Oakdale or Pollock. I hope next year the guards "forget" about him for awhile.

                  You know, the Bible gives definitive dimensions for Heaven. Hell is a little different. It enlarges as the population increases. I hope Satan has an extra special place for Mr. Sanders.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    #70

                    It could happen...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
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                      #71

                      Surprised it took so long...

                      Gfg_A1DWYAAT3FX.jpeg

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #72

                        Heard on the radio today, that privately, several Dems are upset with this one.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Heard on the radio today, that privately, several Dems are upset with this one.

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                          @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                          Heard on the radio today, that privately, several Dems are upset with this one.

                          And they plan to....what?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Do nothing, I would suspect.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Be upset. But man, he is providing enough Willie Hortons to last for decades.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Take comfort in the fact that the murderers are not going to be released.

                                Right?

                                RIGHT???

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  #77

                                  Clemency was never intended to be used in this manner. Totally inappropriate. If you can convince the legislature to abolish capital punishment, great. All for it. But not like this.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    It could happen...

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                                    #78

                                    @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

                                    It could happen...

                                    I don’t think so. He could pardon them for past violations of immigration law, but that wouldn’t change their immigration status. They’d be illegal again tomorrow.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      It might protect them from prosecution but not deportation.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • George KG George K

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                                        @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

                                        Mollie continues:

                                        Not sure if #1 is an issue. Did he even know that the law he proposed 25 years ago was a "matter of conscience?"

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          More piling on on the subject of hypocrisy:

                                          https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1871216903953502547.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

                                          tl;dr - some murderers are more worthy of clemency than others, depending on their political usefulness.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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